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Do you believe in the reveal?

Post by DoomsdayDevice on Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:19 pm

Time to poll how we feel about the reveal!

No maybe, yes or no.

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Re: Do you believe in the reveal?

Post by AxStapleton on Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:28 pm

YES

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Re: Do you believe in the reveal?

Post by BleedingUranium on Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:29 pm

Yes!
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Re: Do you believe in the reveal?

Post by DoomsdayDevice on Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:30 pm

I believe.

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Re: Do you believe in the reveal?

Post by Restrider on Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:37 pm

DoomsdayDevice wrote:Time to poll how we feel about the reveal!

No maybe, yes or no.
Well, I have the power to add my own option to the poll Whistling ...
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Re: Do you believe in the reveal?

Post by ElSuperGecko on Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:43 pm

I've had to go no I'm afraid people.

Bioware may well give us more hints and clues, they may even go so far as to alter player's perceptions of the ending choices, but an outright reveal? I'm not so sure. Not during ME3's life cycle, anyway. We may have to wait until ME4 to find out if our fears are finally realised...

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Re: Do you believe in the reveal?

Post by DoomsdayDevice on Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:56 pm

That's okay Gecko, just curious how people feel at this point.

And well, a reveal could take many forms.

But if we see Shepard get out of the rubble in London, that would be a reveal. No other explanation necessary.

Just clarifying.

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Re: Do you believe in the reveal?

Post by Eryri on Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:08 pm

I voted yes, but more because that's what I want to happen. I find it hard to believe that Bioware could have dropped the ball so completely otherwise, but stranger things have happened. Uncertain
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Re: Do you believe in the reveal?

Post by DoomsdayDevice on Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:33 pm

More believers than I expected, so far.

Somehow I was under the impression that most people here had given up hope.

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Re: Do you believe in the reveal?

Post by RavenEyry on Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:53 pm

I'm leaning in the direction of 'Bioware wants to leave it open to interpretation'.

I can think of several reasons why and both good and bad points for this.
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Re: Do you believe in the reveal?

Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:56 pm

DoomsdayDevice wrote:I believe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ19mW-TMRk
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Re: Do you believe in the reveal?

Post by Allynna on Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:06 pm

It is a Yes for me, but... Maybe I am more hoping for "yes" instead of "yes, i am sure". Anyway I find it hard to believe that BioWare can fail so hard in the last and most important minutes of the game. I've read the books (not the last one), the comics, i've played the three games 4-5 times each... and everything is great and perfect. The ending just does not fit. Even if it is perfectly executed with explanations and closure... it still doesn't fit. At least for me.

Even before ME 3 I was thinking about the possible ending and I expected that something so powerful and inevitable like indoctrination will eventually be something that Shepard must fight.

It is obvious that this ending is not made with the idea "this is the end of Shepards story". They want us to talk about it and think about it.... and then talk about it some more, but like i said before, Bioware have to deliver something eventually. If they not... that will be a great waste of time (almost a year now) and a great disappointment.

Sometimes i envy the people who like that ending and take it literal. At least they can "turn the page".

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Re: Do you believe in the reveal?

Post by MaximizedAction on Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:10 pm

Selim Bradley wrote:
DoomsdayDevice wrote:I believe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ19mW-TMRk

Hm, let's see, I was thinking of Cher's song, Mariah Carey & Whitney Houston's song...

@topic:
I do believe in a 'reveal'. But as DD wrote, it doesn't have to be a KOTOR-esque reveal, it can also be just Shep limping out of the rubble -- as usual -- and the reveal happens via different bits of dialog with teammembers or whoever Shep will encounter first.

Why do I believe? Because the war simply could be not over yet.
"But why is that important, other great movies also have open endings"? Yes, but the hole that is for the fan's interpretation to fill is WAY to huge. It's a galactic war for Shep sakes! That makes a damn huge difference.

The meta reason would be that listening to an interview series done with Casey, he said that their main motivation is believing in the success of their product; if they don't think that players will like it, then they don't feel good about it.
And taking the 99% of the trilogy, they succeeded in that. So they gotta be good at writing stories that people will like hearing. That 1% is just too ridiculously a fail. And they must know it; at least when the first complains arrived in March.

And by now it's statistically undeniable that if there is one thing the fans would kiss their feet for: it'd be a 'new ending'.


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Re: Do you believe in the reveal?

Post by Rankincountry on Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:13 pm

I have to admit that I voted "no" as I take a slightly cynical stance. I also don't want to get my hopes up too much as I would love for there to be a reveal of some sort.

Unfortunately I think that EA/Bioware are going to want to milk the franchise (bloody hell I hate that word, especially in the context of games) for all it's worth. My gut feeling is that the next DLC (or two?) will probably contain some further hints but nothing conclusive - however there will be enough in there to keep the fans salivating for the next game. There's been a lot of hope amongst IT-ers since just before the EC that the next DLC will be the clincher, and each time we've had a bit more evidence and never anything concrete. My fear is that like some TV shows, the temptation will be to keep the promise of a reveal for as long as possible, and the conseqence will be that the story is stretched thinly over ME3 DLC and ME4.

Now this doesn't mean I doubt IT - far from it, I think that any other explanation of whatthehellisactuallygoingoninME3 (I fear there's an entire generation of young gamers growing up thinking this is a word) is at best hugely unlikely. And I have to say that I've enjoyed the speculations so far - someone else said that it's like the gaming equivalent of a book group and I think that's a great way of putting it.

It doesn't even mean that I don't like ME3 (I do, very much) or that I'll never play ME again (no other game has grabbed me in the same way, not even the very-nearly-as-brilliant Witcher 1 and 2 and Deus Ex HR). And actually I don't regard the ending to ME3 as a failure when viewed through the lens of IT - in fact if IT is true then the ending, even as it stands is really very clever.

I do fear though that John, Jane, Eoin, Sarah (in a few weeks from now, poor lass hasn't even got Spectre status yet and has no idea what she's in for) and all of the other Shepards, past, present and future, are going to be stuck under the rubble for a while longer yet. And this taints my enjoyment because I always have to caveat it to myself. If IT is true then I can really enjoy the ending but the horrible little gnawing termites of doubt are whispering, "Mmm hmm, but what if it isn't IT?".

So, in conclusion, the ME trilogy has led to me being nibbled at by imaginary termites that can talk. Erm... help?

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Re: Do you believe in the reveal?

Post by Restrider on Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:51 pm

MaximizedAction wrote:
Hm, let's see, I was thinking of Cher's song, Mariah Carey & Whitney Houston's song...

@topic:
I do believe in a 'reveal'. But as DD wrote, it doesn't have to be a KOTOR-esque reveal, it can also be just Shep limping out of the rubble -- as usual -- and the reveal happens via different bits of dialog with teammembers or whoever Shep will encounter first.

Why do I believe? Because the war simply could be not over yet.
"But why is that important, other great movies also have open endings"? Yes, but the hole that is for the fan's interpretation to fill is WAY to huge. It's a galactic war for Shep sakes! That makes a damn huge difference.

The meta reason would be that listening to an interview series done with Casey, he said that their main motivation is believing in the success of their product; if they don't think that players will like it, then they don't feel good about it.
And taking the 99% of the trilogy, they succeeded in that. So they gotta be good at writing stories that people will like hearing. That 1% is just too ridiculously a fail. And they must know it; at least when the first complains arrived in March.

And by now it's statistically undeniable that if there is one thing the fans would kiss their feet for: it'd be a 'new ending'.

Funny, how a lot of people apply Occam's Razor and -- while using it on fiction is usually a fallacy -- try to explain the disaster with "BED RITYEINGS!!DURRR" - .

Although considering all the information, like consistent/decent storytelling in the first 99% of the trilogy, other precedents for mindgames (KOTOR, NWN), the statements of BW employees ("No ABC endings", "Rachni will have huge impact", "Hold to your copies forever" -- ignoring the posts of the professional community managers liars of course) and of course everything in the content, coming to the conclusion that
"BED RITYEINGS!!DURRR" -
is what happened by using Occam's Razor is baffling. You have to keep in mind that
"BED RITYEINGS!!DURRR" -
would be the exceptional case.
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Re: Do you believe in the reveal?

Post by Andromidius on Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:00 pm

Can't answer.
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Re: Do you believe in the reveal?

Post by Terramine on Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:21 pm

I believe there will be some sort of a reveal. There is many reasons, but I think the most important one HAS to be that my desire to play the game has died completely.

Ultimately, it's not just that Bioware wouldn't crap things up... they also wouldn't do so, if it meant it would kill such a beautiful and awesome series that can actually challenge the notion that games cannot be art. They wouldn't do that to their fans especially, since they've actually grown beyond attached to the Characters, etc, and I might be more willing to think otherwise IF the evidence for Indoctrination wasn't so compelling. It definitely seems like it was planned, the sheer bluntness of it is beyond compelling.

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Re: Do you believe in the reveal?

Post by hukbum on Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:48 pm

I highly doubt that there will be a reveal.
They will leave it open until the next game. But I'm starting to wonder why they first said it'll be a prequel (well that's what I read there on BSN). I'd actually buy a game where you can play someone finding out about the true fate of Shep alongside the desicions (s)he made.

But I don't know anymore. No comments from BW officials and so on ... I'm getting tired. One year for a great game with (for me) a big disappointment in the end. Enough is enough. No reveal or no big hammer hint on what this ending was about and I don't know if I'll buy the next game.

I hope, even if there is no ingame reveal, BW will break the silence and start to talk to the fans what all this was about. I hate cliffhangers ...

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Re: Do you believe in the reveal?

Post by ZerebusPrime on Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:48 pm

I do not believe in a reveal within the boundaries of ME3 but I hope to be pleasantly surprised. I find it much more likely that the twist at the end of ME4 or ME5 will tell us exactly what really happened in ME3.

(and I expect some Reapers to survive the end of ME3 no matter what)
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Re: Do you believe in the reveal?

Post by Ruwce on Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:26 pm

I voted "yes", but I'm having an alarming feeling we will have to wait for ME4 for the obvious, no more ambiguity, IT reveal.

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Re: Do you believe in the reveal?

Post by Fur28 on Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:28 pm

I want but not expect :(

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Re: Do you believe in the reveal?

Post by Charlie Sheen on Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:26 pm

At this point, I really doubt the next DLC will be IT.

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Re: Do you believe in the reveal?

Post by Guest on Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:57 pm

Yes, in some form. This doesn't have to be in a major way.

But I am generally expecting us to go to Rio, in some way, in this DLC cycle.

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Re: Do you believe in the reveal?

Post by Steelcan on Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:22 pm

No, surprise surprise

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Re: Do you believe in the reveal?

Post by DoomsdayDevice on Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:19 am

Drewton wrote:At this point, I really doubt the next DLC will be IT.

That's not really what I'm asking though.

I do not necessarily mean the next DLC.

Some people think they won't reveal anything until ME4, for example.

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