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Post by SZKSYPCZE on Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:57 pm

First things first. The Byovare is spelled on purpose, cause after what they did to Mass Effect they became Byovare to me.

Secondly, I watched the livestream and it was......boring. No, really. I don't complain. It looked boring, a few new kits and weapons, but apart from all that, the same old sh.it, played all over since the last year.

I was expecting they come up with their best and try to bind MP with SP, contributing to IT somehow. I thought they will at least try. Instead we get a madman's idea of AWAKENED COLLECTOR. WTF??!! This is a fracking insult to all the people who read the codex and think for themselves. At this point I am starting to believe what Clevernoob said, that Byovare loves money. That was made FOR MONEY and only for MONEY. I don't see how this will.....can be implemented into the lore. This is a CIRCUS. The same goes for the fembot EDI-style. I don't have the words to express my anger and disappointment. I'm sorry.......

PS. WHY THE FCUK IT IS NAMED "RECKONING"???
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Post by SZKSYPCZE on Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:09 pm

OK, OK, i'm trying to put myself together......neeed.....to.....be......strong....
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Post by Guest on Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:17 pm

You mad?

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Post by Argolas on Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:22 pm

Did you miss the dialogue in ME2 where Mordin explained that the collectors are basically still Protheans and could very well be saved?
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Post by RavenEyry on Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:34 pm

He said they couldn't be saved. No soul, replaced by tech.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:46 pm

SZKSYPCZE wrote: At this point I am starting to believe what Clevernoob said, that Byovare loves money. That was made FOR MONEY and only for MONEY.
If they made this for money, how come they are releasing it for free?
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Post by Argolas on Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:56 pm

RavenEyry wrote:He said they couldn't be saved. No soul, replaced by tech.

Sarcasm detector in for repairs? Basketball
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Post by RavenEyry on Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:01 pm

Argolas wrote:
RavenEyry wrote:He said they couldn't be saved. No soul, replaced by tech.

Sarcasm detector in for repairs? Basketball
Hard to tell on the interwebz. Curse the lack of tone and eye rolling!
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Post by magnetite on Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:02 pm

SZKSYPCZE wrote:At this point I am starting to believe what Clevernoob said, that Byovare loves money. That was made FOR MONEY and only for MONEY. I don't see how this will.....can be implemented into the lore. This is a CIRCUS. The same goes for the fembot EDI-style. I don't have the words to express my anger and disappointment. I'm sorry.......

Bioware, just like any business is in business to make money. If you don't make a profit, you don't do so well.

Bioware designs their games and such which they know people will buy. It's simple economics I guess.

Regarding EDI, it is a similar situation with Miranda. People may have bought the game just because she's really hot and blows stuff up with big guns.

Another example would be there aren't many big people in Mass Effect. Most of them are skinny and fit. I've only run across maybe one or two overweight people in the entire trilogy.

Just the way corporations work I guess. Not just EA, but the media is nuts over the whole beauty is everything and if you are 300 pounds, you're an oddity or something like that.
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Post by BleedingUranium on Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:13 am

Did you not play Leviathan or something?
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Post by Argolas on Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:17 am

RavenEyry wrote:
Argolas wrote:
RavenEyry wrote:He said they couldn't be saved. No soul, replaced by tech.

Sarcasm detector in for repairs? Basketball
Hard to tell on the interwebz. Curse the lack of tone and eye rolling!

Well yeah, that line explicitly stated that all hope is lost for the collectors and the only way to save them is to kill them.

Unless they get their hands on an ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL device alien
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Post by Nightvayne on Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:53 am

BleedingUranium wrote:Did you not play Leviathan or something?

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Post by ZerebusPrime on Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:11 am

SZKSYPCZE wrote:
PS. WHY THE FCUK IT IS NAMED "RECKONING"???

There was a line from EDI to Legion regarding her new body. "...the humans do not perceive me to be a threat. Nor will they until my day of reckoning."

And now we have EDI bots.
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Post by Guest on Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:09 am

ZerebusPrime wrote:
SZKSYPCZE wrote:
PS. WHY THE FCUK IT IS NAMED "RECKONING"???

There was a line from EDI to Legion regarding her new body. "...the humans do not perceive me to be a threat. Nor will they until my day of reckoning."

And now we have EDI bots.

Wow, I certainly didn't catch that one.

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Post by clennon8 on Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:19 am

I don't have a problem with Awakened Collectors. Remember how the Collector General seemed to "wake up" at the end of ME2, just before the base was destroyed/purged?
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Post by ElSuperGecko on Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:05 am

clennon8 wrote:I don't have a problem with Awakened Collectors. Remember how the Collector General seemed to "wake up" at the end of ME2, just before the base was destroyed/purged?

Yep, I always thought it looks confused and kind of sad when Harbinger RELEASED CONTROL...

...it has just enough time to work out what had happened and what was happening before it's world went boom. :(

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Post by Guest on Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:06 pm

Mordin's words only told me that the Collectors can never have a civilization or culture or any other advancement without being controlled.

It never told me that Collectors can't THINK or FEEL. Just that its hugely hampered by massive tampering and Reaper control.

Yes, I think the Collector General was remorseful. As much as he could be. The Collectors are ghosts (no souls), not zombies (blaarrrrggg).

Husks are the zombies.

So yeah, I perfectly understand Awakened Collectors. There's probably very very few of them, considering that most 'awakened' Collectors would just shut down without Reaper control. But, *some* would survive and having lived their lives trapped by Reaper control, they would fight back.

I think the message is that you can control whatever you put your mind to controlling, but don't expect those people you control, to not stab you in the back once they get even the slightest taste of freedom.

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Post by RavenEyry on Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:12 pm

I always thought the collector general was sad it failed it's master.
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Post by Guest on Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:23 pm

RavenEyry wrote:I always thought the collector general was sad it failed it's master.

Can't it be both? Someone under the heel of the Reapers is both pushed to be a servant of them, but its not like they don't resent the whole thing once they feel at all free from it.

I've never seen an indoctrinated character, once the indoctrination is disrupted, actually love the Reapers. It's forceful worship, not a total rewrite. Once the rewrite happens, the subject is just a jibbering animal, incapable of loving or hating the Reapers anyway.

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Post by demersel on Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:54 am

Argolas wrote:Did you miss the dialogue in ME2 where Mordin explained that the collectors are basically still Protheans and could very well be saved?

Did you miss the dialogue in ME2 where Mordin explains how the genophage is a pointless and cruel thing and how it is very easy to cure right on the spot without any complications?
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Post by CSSteele on Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:09 am

demersel wrote:
Argolas wrote:Did you miss the dialogue in ME2 where Mordin explained that the collectors are basically still Protheans and could very well be saved?

Did you miss the dialogue in ME2 where Mordin explains how the genophage is a pointless and cruel thing and how it is very easy to cure right on the spot without any complications?

Yes, I realize the first is a sarcastic response, but I'm not sure what you're trying to say here Dem...
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Post by demersel on Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:14 pm

Mordin said a lot of things in ME2. (because he tends to talk a lot).
And yes he is brilliant.
But when he has some point or some notion - he explains very thoroughly why he has this exact point or notion or not the other one, and why this notion is the correct to have. He does that because this is how his mind works.
However - as we all know - he IS capable of being wrong - if not in details and facts than in their assesment and judgment about them, and over all conclusion. Which is kind of a big plot point in ME3 - most of ME2 mordin spends explaining the genophage to you and why it was necessary, and why there was no other way to solve the krogan problem, why why it is important that it stays in place, etc. and as an addition he explains very carefully and thoroughly that even IF you wanted to undo the genophage - why would thet be completely impossible and why even an attempt to do so will lead to catastrophic consequences due to complexety of the genophage and even greater complexity of any potentioal cure.


However in Mass Effect 3 - it turns out that all it takes is only the will do the deed - Him changing his mind from - the genophage was a right call to "I don't care what will happen next and what the consequences will be - genophage is wrong and is an abomination. I will cure it, I will see it undone." - and it turns out that the undoable deed was not so undoable after all. And all his complex explanations - was just selfassurance, and taking the easy way out.

So if he is capable of such a mistake in judgment - who says he was not mistaken to quickly deny the collectors any kind of concioussness, simply because he was repulsed by what was done to them? True - he might be right about them being incapable of creating any sort of culture and having any sort of future - and true -they are no protheans no more. But that doesn't mean that they can't have a soul that is scarred and tortured and aches for vengence, and that doesn't mean that they can't fight a war.

After all - due to the genophage - krogan's future and capapility of creating any stable culture is very much in doubt.

Or batarians - batarians are doomed - there are too few of them left - they are done for as a race. That doesn't mean they can't fight the reapers.


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Post by Argolas on Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:53 pm

CSSteele wrote:
demersel wrote:
Argolas wrote:Did you miss the dialogue in ME2 where Mordin explained that the collectors are basically still Protheans and could very well be saved?

Did you miss the dialogue in ME2 where Mordin explains how the genophage is a pointless and cruel thing and how it is very easy to cure right on the spot without any complications?

Yes, I realize the first is a sarcastic response, but I'm not sure what you're trying to say here Dem...

I wasn't trying to be sarcastic actually, my bad. It was supposed to be irony. But I tend not to think straight when I'm online scratch
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Post by NebuchadnezzaRT on Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:58 pm

I just want to know why you call them Byovare?
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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:54 pm

The batarians are not done as a species imo.

But they're done as a major civilization for a while. The future will be a giant piece of humble pie, but in the end, it'll be good for them.

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