New Sim City

Rough launch day.

People still shocked and outraged.

Not at all suprised.

Anyway, let's have a discussion about it. I'm not going to buy it for a while, but I have great interest in this game. Anyone who gets this game running, please let us know your thoughts!

Oh really? What's going wrong? I've seen the "always connected online multiplayer" feature in previews, so I'm assuming that little time bomb has contributed its payload to the problems, but I haven't been following it closely.

Basically 30 long queues to even try to connect to servers. Preorders not being given priority, so there are rumours some people bought second copies of the game to try and play.

Hours later, people still unable to connect to their single player game. And if you DLC, then tough luck.

Andromidius wrote:Basically 30 long queues to even try to connect to servers. Preorders not being given priority, so there are rumours some people bought second copies of the game to try and play.

Hours later, people still unable to connect to their single player game. And if you DLC, then tough luck.

Dayum. So glad I'm not dealing with that mess. Haven't really been into Sim City since 3000. Maybe I'll check this one out if there's anything left when the dust settles.

BlueLogic wrote:

Andromidius wrote:Basically 30 long queues to even try to connect to servers. Preorders not being given priority, so there are rumours some people bought second copies of the game to try and play.

Hours later, people still unable to connect to their single player game. And if you DLC, then tough luck.

Dayum. So glad I'm not dealing with that mess. Haven't really been into Sim City since 3000. Maybe I'll check this one out if there's anything left when the dust settles.

Same. I was unaware of this.

I used to play Sim City (forget which) when I was a kid. My cities were terrible and always failed, but again, I must have been about seven. My mom, OTOH, was good at it and enjoyed playing.

I might have to get this one, myself... for old times' sake.

I had a surplus of around 500 simoleons per day, until I started blowing money on stuff I didn't need (too many schools, etc), and I went bankrupt.

Received an error message:



Seem to have better luck with this city though:

The LOL continues.

Free DLC! That is blatant advertising and breaks the game even more because its so overpowered.

Yeah. That's exactly what this game needed. Good job EA?

A DLC came out?

Anyways, aside from always online DRM being... well, just being plain wrong. I don't know if they "fixed" it or not yet, but apparently the game breaks after so long because of a FAKE number of citizens. Basically the amount of citizens or whatever is not anywhere near accurate after so long and so shit goes fubar.

It was obviously something they knew was there before release -_-

Hahahahaha I'm so glad I didn't buy this POS game.

I am just waiting for the day EA will sell bigger map size as a DLC.

Dis gonna be good.

lex0r11 wrote:I am just waiting for the day EA will sell bigger map size as a DLC.

Dis gonna be good.

I bet one of the DLCs they will make will also address the *ahem* problem I mentioned. Ironically probably the bigger map size DLC, it fits perfectly because otherwise your city goes fubar before you can fully utilize the bigger size.

Anyone feel like this "problem" is there to stop people from modding a bigger map size instead of paying for it?

I own the game and play it and the only things I can say all these problems like connection issues and cities going fubar is blown completely out of proportion and they fixed the most critical errors.
Additionally I don't see the problem with that DLC. Yeah it's advertising but: if you don't want it don't use it.

Gummy wrote:I own the game and play it and the only things I can say all these problems like connection issues and cities going fubar is blown completely out of proportion and they fixed the most critical errors.
Additionally I don't see the problem with that DLC. Yeah it's advertising but: if you don't want it don't use it.

No the problem I mentioned is actually boiled down to the game engine itself and has not been blown out of proportion. It's one thing if EA fixed it, which I doubt because I haven't heard of any updates addressing it.

But it's a whole other thing to claim it's not a serious thing. It's been proven that not only is it a real problem, but it's very serious: http://www.reddit.com/r/SimCity/comments/1a5pof/did_ea_lie_about_theoretical_population_sizes/

Why is it that whenever a customer is VERY LUCKY in an experience and their experience goes off without a hitch. They feel the need to invalidate the vast majority having problems? It baffles me, it's like if a gang had attacked a small town and because they don't attack YOU, you just go "Guys stop it, getting murdered and abused by these gang members is not that big of a deal".

Not that EA is as bad as that, but point is just because YOU got lucky that does not mean EA is innocent -_-

And of all things this is EA we are talking about, the worst company... they actually got an award for that. What does that make the people who defend them? -_-

The thing mentioned on this reddit is because 1 displayed high density house counts and is treated as 8 simulated houses. The population displayed doesn't matter anyway, just go for the numbers in the other tabs like everyone would do automatically. The displayed number is just for orientation in any case.
Also if he gets problems with just 100k people he's doing something wrong.
Additionally it's not just me but also everyone I play with maybe had 1 serious error, but any game has bugs... SC might not be the most polished game, but also by far not the worst.

All you have is seemingly second hand information.

Gummy wrote:The thing mentioned on this reddit is because 1 displayed high density house counts and is treated as 8 simulated houses. The population displayed doesn't matter anyway, just go for the numbers in the other tabs like everyone would do automatically. The displayed number is just for orientation in any case.
Also if he gets problems with just 100k people he's doing something wrong.
Additionally it's not just me but also everyone I play with maybe had 1 serious error, but any game has bugs... SC might not be the most polished game, but also by far not the worst.

All you have is seemingly second hand information.

I wouldn't blame him when there is a LOT of people with such problems.

Besides, always online DRM is beyond unethical. You can't take back someone's property they payed for, yet technically that can be done simply by keeping them from being able to connect to the server. This alone is enough to be unforgivable, what happens when the servers shut down eventually? Let me guess, to avoid a shit storm they'll finally deactivate the DRM so you can play offline despite it being such an inconvenience for them to do it now. Besides that shouldn't matter, a person should able to use their product at ANY time, not just when they are connected to the internet.

And that's a misconception. A game you purchase is NOT your property. Read an EULA of any game that is not freeware.
You purchase the license to play it, but you don't own it.

Gummy wrote:And that's a misconception. A game you purchase is NOT your property. Read an EULA of any game that is not freeware.
You purchase the license to play it, but you don't own it.

Once again, why the hell am I actually seeing a person trying to justify major violations of ethics, as well protecting the worst company?

Just as a side note: Cracks are not illegal in any way, shape or form and yet they allow you to play a game without a disk or without NEEDING to adhere to the DRM. So if hackers actually cared to crack SC, it would not be illegal if you actually payed for the product yet you could play it as much as you like and EA could not do shit.

Breaking the EULA does not do much other than make you lose EA support, modding for a lot of games is against their EULAs yet they can't press any legal charges. You have to actually break laws in order for a violation of the EULA to mean more than you losing their support. As well, I don't see how what you are saying is possible. If SC had regular DRM like most games, then how exactly would you be paying just to play it? You have the content and you can play it 100% when and how you want whether EA would like it or not. You don't purchase no license, you purchase a copy of the game. Of course the game industry is getting shady with digital download, but technically even now you purchase a non-physical copy and they can't stop you from playing it.

1. you should check your facts again.
2. and more important: this mentality is why publishers will jump at it when streaming content becomes feasible for playing (aka when more people get better connection).

Gummy wrote:1. you should check your facts again.
2. and more important: this mentality is why publishers will jump at it when streaming content becomes feasible for playing (aka when more people get better connection).

1.Not really, as I've said the EULA is not law, simply an agreement that CAN be violated if you want to... if it breaches law, then it becomes a problem for the law. But if it doesn't, then it's EA's problem and the only thing they have the power to do is to stop supporting you. They cannot press charges and in fact, cracks are 100% legal. Now if say, you were infringing copy right or pirating, that'd be a different story since those are breaches of law. But cracking a purchased copy, is not a breach in law.

2.Your point? It's a justified position or "mentality" as you called it, the opposition is not and is in fact unethical.(I'm assuming you meant the mentality that it was unethical, correct me if I'm wrong.)

Someone is defending EA? On the topic of SimCity? What is this I don't even

People who never played it feeling compelled to argue that the game sucks vs one who played it who says it's fun. Sure there isn't any bias from them right guys? ... Guys?

Seriously these numbers may not be accurate and they could change some stuff, but there isn't anything game breaking and the issues with waiting times etc were managed much faster than they were for Diablo 3 for example. But people like to hate on EA because... well it's EA.

Gummy wrote:People who never played it feeling compelled to argue that the game sucks vs one who played it who says it's fun. Sure there isn't any bias from them right guys? ... Guys?

Seriously these numbers may not be accurate and they could change some stuff, but there isn't anything game breaking and the issues with waiting times etc were managed much faster than they were for Diablo 3 for example. But people like to hate on EA because... well it's EA.

Right. Right. We only hate on EA because they're EA. They haven't done anything wrong! Heavens no! And all those news stories about what a train wreck major nuclear accident that SimCity was were just, I don't know, communist propaganda!

As said they're blown way out of proportion. But well you obviously don't care about it anyway as it would be something less to hate :3

I have yet to meet someone who played the game and said that the game is trash or something, but I hear lots of people complaining about it who never even touched it. The hate EA got for it for their day 1 connection problems was way higher than the hate against Blizzard for their week 1 connection problems. Just because it's EA.

Gummy wrote:As said they're blown way out of proportion. But well you obviously don't care about it anyway as it would be something less to hate :3

I have yet to meet someone who played the game and said that the game is trash or something, but I hear lots of people complaining about it who never even touched it. The hate EA got for it for their day 1 connection problems was way higher than the hate against Blizzard for their week 1 connection problems. Just because it's EA.

Yeah, I should be more passive-aggressive like you and just tell new folks stories about how we're all insulting them behind their backs. Speaking of lies, I do not believe for one single solitary fucking second that you've never heard someone that actually has SimCity trash it. People will hate on any game, even if it's close to perfect. In order to have not heard someone with a valid gripe against one of the worst launches ever, you'd have to be deaf, blind, and living in a cave on Mars. Blizzard got plenty of heat for Diablo 3's day one connection problems. EA is getting proportional heat for their way-the-hell-longer-than-day one problems. Along with lies like "processing power is so high that we HAVE to run your single player game on our servers instead of your computers, honest!" Blizzard for crucified for the launch problems they had with World of Warcraft, which was far less their fault than SimCity's was EA's fault. But you just keep that EA apologist nonsense up. Maybe one day you'll finally meet one of the few dozens gamers who haven't been screwed by EA before and they actually buy your "EA is teh victim" shill. Good luck with that drivel.