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Are you cool with the idea of IT being "revealed" in ME4? (Poll)

Post by MovieMachine on Tue May 07, 2013 11:42 am

The title and the poll should be self-explanatory.

I've seen this being discussed about in the main thread every now and then, so I thought a poll for it would be interesting. I've also seen some people thinking it is simply the logical solution to the ending dilemma right now, which is something I disagree with. I'm also assuming here that the next game is a sequel of some sort. And obviously I'm assuming IT is true. Which it is.


My thoughts on the subject:

I'm ignoring the problems of actually having Shepard in the next game (save imports because of next-gen consoles and the illogicality of having a new game with a new protagonist start with the old one being the major ones), and instead I'd like to focus on the customer aspect of this idea.

I think it is an unacceptable decision on BW's part if they decide to go this route. It goes against what they said the game would contain, which is an end to Shepard's story. They have always touted this story to be a trilogy, and I've been patiently waiting (like many others) for a resolution for 14 months now, and that's why I haven't yet accused BW of lying to me as a customer and a consumer. (actually, just thinking about it, I've been waiting for the ending ever since I first heard this was going to be a three-part story)

Because I've had faith (and still have, but it has hit it's rock bottom lately for sure) that they would deliver an actual conclusion to this journey.
In this game.
NOT the next.

So I'm not cool with the idea of having to pay 60 more bucks to get answers to my questions.

Answers which were promised to be delivered within this single purchase.
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Re: Are you cool with the idea of IT being "revealed" in ME4? (Poll)

Post by Rifneno on Tue May 07, 2013 11:44 am

I wouldn't be at all cool with them doing the reveal in ME4, but I'd be by far even less cool with a reveal not coming at all.

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Re: Are you cool with the idea of IT being "revealed" in ME4? (Poll)

Post by MovieMachine on Tue May 07, 2013 11:51 am

Rifneno wrote:I wouldn't be at all cool with them doing the reveal in ME4, but I'd be by far even less cool with a reveal not coming at all.

Wonderful alternatives here: Have it done in the most disgusting, cash-grabbing way possible (and ignoring all the promises and basically admitting they lied about everything in order to boost their sales), or have it so that a 100-hour journey will never have a conclusion.
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Post by Raistlin Majere on Tue May 07, 2013 12:01 pm

MovieMachine wrote:
Rifneno wrote:I wouldn't be at all cool with them doing the reveal in ME4, but I'd be by far even less cool with a reveal not coming at all.

Wonderful alternatives here: Have it done in the most disgusting, cash-grabbing way possible (and ignoring all the promises and basically admitting they lied about everything in order to boost their sales), or have it so that a 100-hour journey will never have a conclusion.

Yeah, it is wonderful alternatives Angry

Though ultimately I would probably be cool with it as long as the game providing the reveal was top notch as well, but it is a very, very slim line.

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Re: Are you cool with the idea of IT being "revealed" in ME4? (Poll)

Post by Rifneno on Tue May 07, 2013 12:09 pm

MovieMachine wrote:
Rifneno wrote:I wouldn't be at all cool with them doing the reveal in ME4, but I'd be by far even less cool with a reveal not coming at all.

Wonderful alternatives here: Have it done in the most disgusting, cash-grabbing way possible (and ignoring all the promises and basically admitting they lied about everything in order to boost their sales), or have it so that a 100-hour journey will never have a conclusion.

Lovely, isn't it? We're stuck between a rock and a hard place, to put it mildly.

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Re: Are you cool with the idea of IT being "revealed" in ME4? (Poll)

Post by DoomsdayDevice on Tue May 07, 2013 1:15 pm

God damn Bioware.

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Re: Are you cool with the idea of IT being "revealed" in ME4? (Poll)

Post by symbowles on Tue May 07, 2013 3:07 pm

I'm so irritated and indifferent at this point....I don't even know.

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Re: Are you cool with the idea of IT being "revealed" in ME4? (Poll)

Post by Allynna on Tue May 07, 2013 3:12 pm

I want more Shepard, Garrus, Kaidan, Joker, etc. So i hope ME 4 will reveal IT.

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Post by dorktainian on Tue May 07, 2013 3:13 pm

I wouldnt be surprised if they did reveal in ME4, but for me they have betrayed that consumer trust - they've gone too far. Sometimes (as it seems at the moment) shit is just shit.

so nope. as time goes on i think it's becoming more apparent that actually it's a rush released piece of money grabbing shit.

Bioware is nearly dead. And now they have star wars (via EA)

another franchise to fuck up (oh they already did that with SWTOR which is just another massive pile of shite)

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Re: Are you cool with the idea of IT being "revealed" in ME4? (Poll)

Post by MovieMachine on Tue May 07, 2013 3:35 pm

symbowles wrote:I'm so irritated and indifferent at this point....I don't even know.

I know that feeling all too well...

Allynna wrote:I want more Shepard, Garrus, Kaidan, Joker, etc. So i hope ME 4 will reveal IT.

Even if it would mean that BW lied to everyone's faces about Shepard's story being a trilogy, and making you have to pay for another full game to see more?
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Re: Are you cool with the idea of IT being "revealed" in ME4? (Poll)

Post by Allynna on Tue May 07, 2013 3:48 pm

MovieMachine wrote:
Allynna wrote:I want more Shepard, Garrus, Kaidan, Joker, etc. So i hope ME 4 will reveal IT.

Even if it would mean that BW lied to everyone's faces about Shepard's story being a trilogy, and making you have to pay for another full game to see more?

Yeah, i was never happy with the statement that Shepards story will be a trilogy. :)

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Re: Are you cool with the idea of IT being "revealed" in ME4? (Poll)

Post by MovieMachine on Tue May 07, 2013 4:02 pm

Allynna wrote:
MovieMachine wrote:
Allynna wrote:I want more Shepard, Garrus, Kaidan, Joker, etc. So i hope ME 4 will reveal IT.

Even if it would mean that BW lied to everyone's faces about Shepard's story being a trilogy, and making you have to pay for another full game to see more?

Yeah, i was never happy with the statement that Shepards story will be a trilogy. :)

I like statements that stay true myself.

You don't find it questionable to leave a game with no ending (despite promises to the contrary) and then couple of years down the line grab the cash with a continuation?

Spreading lies to trick the customer is not cool.
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Re: Are you cool with the idea of IT being "revealed" in ME4? (Poll)

Post by DoomsdayDevice on Tue May 07, 2013 4:12 pm

I feel like Rif.

Reveal in ME4 is better than no reveal at all, but that doesn't mean I feel it's "okay".

It's not okay at all.

I'm extremely frustrated with the status quo; no closure and all "NO MOAR SHEPARD" PR.

Fuck that.

I still believe in IT, but I simply stopped waiting at this point.

I'll see what happens.

Citadel gave us a lot of hints and it gave me a lot of hope, but I'm just not going to wait around until they do an unexpected reveal or something.

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Re: Are you cool with the idea of IT being "revealed" in ME4? (Poll)

Post by Allynna on Tue May 07, 2013 4:17 pm

Well, technically is not a lie, because they have not revealed IT yet. It will be a lie when they do.

Spreading lies to trick the customer is not cool.

Tell that to BioWare, i only said that I want more Shepard, Garrus, etc...

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Re: Are you cool with the idea of IT being "revealed" in ME4? (Poll)

Post by MovieMachine on Tue May 07, 2013 4:47 pm

Allynna wrote:Well, technically is not a lie, because they have not revealed IT yet. It will be a lie when they do.

That's what I've been saying (or at least trying). If they do it, it's an unacceptable decision in my book.

Allynna wrote:
Spreading lies to trick the customer is not cool.

Tell that to BioWare, i only said that I want more Shepard, Garrus, etc...

I want more of Shepard too, but not like this. I want a continuation, a resolution. Answers to questions.

I just think there should be some standards as to what people should be willing to accept in this situation. Buying another game to explain the ending of the previous one that leaves the trilogy incomplete is not acceptable, since there should not have been a need for answers in the first place.

And because the next game apparently won't have Shep in it (if their statements can be trusted this time), you are likely in for a disappointment.

Again, I want more of Shepard as well, but I'm not willing to pay for it. I paid for my game already, and according to them, it was going to have the end to the story there.



@DoomsdayDevice: Yeah, I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here, but I'm just surprised that some people here are willing to pay for the end of the trilogy, if it's ever going to come. They all bought the game, but got an incomplete product. In that situation, it's the maker of the product that fixes the item to meet the standards set by the marketing. Sometimes I actually wish I would have returned my copy back 13 months ago, when it was still worth something...
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Re: Are you cool with the idea of IT being "revealed" in ME4? (Poll)

Post by Allynna on Tue May 07, 2013 5:09 pm

but not like this

Then how? If the IT is true and they plan a great twist they have to hide it somehow. They have to lie whatever they do. If there is "to be continued" on your screen where exactly will be the "surprise"?
I prefer their lies, really, and i prefer ME4 to reveal everything, because I think its still better than nothing. If they never reveal IT that means we payed with our money, time and so on for a shitty, stupid, retarded ending with no closure...

I agree that is not cool to lie to the customers, but they better do, because ME have so much potential now more than ever...

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Re: Are you cool with the idea of IT being "revealed" in ME4? (Poll)

Post by MovieMachine on Tue May 07, 2013 5:21 pm

Allynna wrote:
but not like this

Then how?

In this game. Right here. Not the next.

I'm okay with the lies and misleadings as long as they are resolved and proven false within this game and I don't have to pay for that content.

And right now it looks like it's not going to happen, which is a damn shame.

Sure, a "reveal" in the next game would "be better than nothing", but that's hardly a compliment. Why should I have to pay for something I was promised to get in a product that I bought a long time ago?
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Post by Allynna on Tue May 07, 2013 5:33 pm

I want a reveal right now! A DLC to end our misery Very Happy But i dont believe anymore there will be ME3 DLCs... So right or wrong my last hope is ME 4... Maybe they will call it ME3 part 2 Laughing

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Post by Eryri on Tue May 07, 2013 5:44 pm

DoomsdayDevice wrote:

Reveal in ME4 is better than no reveal at all, but that doesn't mean I feel it's "okay".

It's not okay at all.


Same here. I would eventually pick up an ME4 that continued Shepard's story, but not until it's £15 or less, about 6 months after release. During those 6 months, I would at least be able to somewhat enjoy replaying ME3 again, with the knowledge that it's not a complete and total piece of nonsensical crap after all.

On the other hand, an ME game that has nothing to do with Shepard and co at all, and does not address the ending, can rot in Silicon Hell!
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Re: Are you cool with the idea of IT being "revealed" in ME4? (Poll)

Post by RavenEyry on Tue May 07, 2013 5:58 pm

I pretty much stopped caring months ago, so I put 'whatever'.

Will I be happy if we get a proper continuation? Yes.
Do I expect it or eagerly await any news? No.
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Re: Are you cool with the idea of IT being "revealed" in ME4? (Poll)

Post by MovieMachine on Tue May 07, 2013 6:03 pm

RavenEyry wrote:I pretty much stopped caring months ago, so I put 'whatever'.

Will I be happy if we get a proper continuation? Yes.
Do I expect it or eagerly await any news? No.

I should've probably titled this thing "Are you cool with the idea of having to pay for an IT reveal, in ME4 or otherwise?", to avoid confusing this to whether or not it's coming at all. I know that many people just don't care anymore (I'm slowly descending to this category too), but I'm more about whether or not people find that kind of cash-grabbing as acceptable.
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Post by RavenEyry on Tue May 07, 2013 6:05 pm

In that case 'yes'. I don't care where it finally all gets sorted out, as long as it does.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Tue May 07, 2013 7:00 pm

I want to see what happens after the Reaper War, which means one way or another ME4 will reveal IT. So overall, yes I am cool with it.


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Post by Dwailing on Tue May 07, 2013 7:02 pm

RavenEyry wrote:In that case 'yes'. I don't care where it finally all gets sorted out, as long as it does.

I'm with Raven on this one. At this point, I'm completely convinced that IT is what BioWare intended, and I've invested enough of my time in this that I really don't care how IT is revealed as long as it's done well. Whether they do it in ME:Next, some unannounced DLC, or something else entirely, I'll be happy as long as it comes.

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Post by MovieMachine on Tue May 07, 2013 7:08 pm

Dwaling wrote:I've invested enough of my time in this that I really don't care how IT is revealed as long as it's done well.

It seems like the 14-month period of frustration and ambiguity has really drained people (can't blame them, has happened to me as well), so that literally anything will pass, even paying money for it.

Good for you, I guess.
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