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Re: The Xbox One

Post by DSharrah on Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:25 pm

I have a question far anyone that plays MMO's (I don't have a great frame of reference to pull from sense I don't play them), would you want to be able to play them on the console?

And for everyone else, why is the assumption that the XBOX One being upgraded from what consoles are currently to what it will be in terms of "DRM" > means anything in how it relates to how you will play single player games? I understand that the releases have stated that it will need to connect at least once every 24 hours...but it also says that you will be able to play games w/o being online as long as the game itself does not require it.

And even with what had been released - I am still not 100% sure on how everything is supposed to work. Where's all the doom and gloom come from? Why is the typical reaction seem to be Microsoft stole my lunch money and now they are coming back to give me a wet willie? Am I just too much of an optimist?

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Re: The Xbox One

Post by Rifneno on Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:27 pm

DSharrah wrote:I have a question far anyone that plays MMO's (I don't have a great frame of reference to pull from sense I don't play them), would you want to be able to play them on the console?

Jesus, no! I wouldn't even want to play them on PC if the servers were shared with consoles. No keyboard, no chance.

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Re: The Xbox One

Post by Hrothdane on Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:31 pm

You can only play on your account for 24 hours, 1 hour if you are using a different console than your home console. After the specified time period, you will have to reconnect if you want to continue.

Consoles are supposed to be simple, and Microsoft is making this whole thing way too damn complicated.

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Re: The Xbox One

Post by BleedingUranium on Sat Jun 08, 2013 12:05 am

Hrothdane wrote:You can only play on your account for 24 hours, 1 hour if you are using a different console than your home console. After the specified time period, you will have to reconnect if you want to continue.

Consoles are supposed to be simple, and Microsoft is making this whole thing way too damn complicated.

I believe that article said that is for games specifically, and it's up to the devs whether their game must connect or not.
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Re: The Xbox One

Post by Rifneno on Sat Jun 08, 2013 12:09 am

I like where they explain all the things you can do DRM free. They said that if your system hasn't been online in 24 hours, you can still watch TV. REALLY? You're not locking me out of a service you have nothing to do with? Well that's fantastic, you fuckers!

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Re: The Xbox One

Post by lex0r on Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:37 pm



About Nintendo but still..

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Re: The Xbox One

Post by Eryri on Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:11 pm

I wonder if this weird new system of selling on your games digitally, rather than physically, will allow you to sell on unwanted DLC? If you could, then maybe that would be a silver lining to this vast, toxic cloud of draconian DRM.

The current system is actually quite poor in that regard. There's no way to get a refund on a piece of DLC if you sell the disc for the main game. Or no way to get a refund on downloaded games for that matter. If Microsoft want to rescue themselves from this pr disaster they would be well advised to consider enabling something like this.

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Post by BleedingUranium on Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:10 pm

^ That's a good point Eryri, even though I personally won't find any/much use for that, I'm sure many would.
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Post by Rifneno on Sat Jun 08, 2013 11:54 pm

Eryri wrote:I wonder if this weird new system of selling on your games digitally, rather than physically, will allow you to sell on unwanted DLC? If you could, then maybe that would be a silver lining to this vast, toxic cloud of draconian DRM.

You think they might give you new rights when they're taking away your old ones? "Dream on, T'Soni."

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Re: The Xbox One

Post by Eryri on Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:44 am

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Eryri wrote:I wonder if this weird new system of selling on your games digitally, rather than physically, will allow you to sell on unwanted DLC? If you could, then maybe that would be a silver lining to this vast, toxic cloud of draconian DRM.

You think they might give you new rights when they're taking away your old ones? "Dream on, T'Soni."

Yeah, don't worry. I'm not exactly holding my breath for MS to become a champion of consumer rights here. I've never had an X-box anyway, so if I do get a new console it will probably be a PS4.

They do have to address this kind of thing though. If physical disks will become nothing more than a delivery system to get games onto your hard drive, alongside direct downloads, then there won't be any difference between triple-A titles and X-box live games. In which case, if they're going to allow us to re-sell triple A's, which we might have bought as a download, then people should ask why they can't resell anything and everything they download. Including the X-box equivalents of Play-Station Mini games and DLC.

In fact, why don't we demand that kind of thing now? We just accept that once you've bought an expansion pack, that's it. You're stuck with it, with no means of selling it on. When stuff like Omega sells for £11.99, that's a lot of money to sink into something with no means of reclaiming it, but we just accept it, because that's the way it's always been done. True you can't get refunds on Steam (as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong) but prices are lower on PC, so it's not so much of an issue.

That's the problem with the X-Bone. They've basically created a PC, with all the restrictive DRM that the platform entails, but they still probably expect to charge high, console-level prices for the software, when one of the main reasons we put up with higher prices on console, is so we don't have to deal with the inconvenience of PC style DRM.

Sorry for the rambling post, bit of a stream of conciousness there.
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Re: The Xbox One

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Post by Hrothdane on Sun Jun 09, 2013 11:14 pm


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Re: The Xbox One

Post by lex0r on Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:03 am


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Re: The Xbox One

Post by Hrothdane on Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:04 am

lex0r11 wrote:

What is that supposed to mean?

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Re: The Xbox One

Post by lex0r on Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:08 am

I guess their marketing really wants to "emphasize" the xbox as THE central media hub. Everything through one controler/console. Or something. I don't know.
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Re: The Xbox One

Post by Eryri on Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:11 am

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the XBone won't actually be able to replace your cable / satellite box right? It can only control it through an HDMI cable.

So how can it claim to be "The One" solution to our entertainment needs, when it's just going to be yet another box cluttering up the space under our TVs?
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Re: The Xbox One

Post by Guest on Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:19 am

Eryri wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but the XBone won't actually be able to replace your cable / satellite box right? It can only control it through an HDMI cable.

So how can it claim to be "The One" solution to our entertainment needs, when it's just going to be yet another box cluttering up the space under our TVs?

It's just a waste, and they're going about this all wrong.

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Re: The Xbox One

Post by DoomsdayDevice on Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:58 pm

Fur28 wrote:
DSharrah wrote:
Fur28 wrote:Ok, not sure if I missed it or if my eglish failed me, but does the article mention anything about lending the disk to a friend and him being able to play it?

Yes...and its "allowed", "will be supported"...they even hinted that you might be able totransfer a game to your friend digitally...I believe that it is in the section about "game licensing".
oh well, then I think I may not have that much problem with the xbox one now.

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Re: The Xbox One

Post by ericformans_sisterisdead on Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:04 pm

500 bills for this shit system wonder how much ps4 is gna be

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Post by Raistlin Majere on Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:35 pm

500$? They are dead.

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Re: The Xbox One

Post by RavenEyry on Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:42 pm

It's more expensive in England too. I assume they were hoping people would see the lower number and forget exchange rates exist.
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Re: The Xbox One

Post by Eryri on Mon Jun 10, 2013 9:48 pm

Anyone else watch the live stream at E3?

I will admit to considerable shadenfreude when EA's presentation of Battlefield on the Xbone was derailed by technical difficulties. It was toe-curling. I almost felt sorry for them...

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Re: The Xbox One

Post by lex0r on Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:53 am

Playstation 4
-No DRM
-No online requirement
-$399

'Nuff said.







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Re: The Xbox One

Post by Norlond on Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:12 am

SO MUCH WIN!


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Re: The Xbox One

Post by CSSteele on Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:22 am

Norlond wrote:SO MUCH WIN!


This, so much this.
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