Why the Catalyst is wrong, and should not be trusted.

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Why the Catalyst is wrong, and should not be trusted.

Post by Master Blaster on Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:06 am

Many of you know already on what the Catalyst tells us/Shepard is basically complete and otter bs. The catalyst only starts the cycles to fore fill it's programming on solving it's creators problems, and the only way to do that is to synthesis everything. Not to mention it points out the Reapers do not want war, and are just doing what they are told to do. Despite the fact that the Reapers clear are not doing what their master want's, which is the preservation of "ALL" advance organic life, and are making deals with synthetics. Which puts the Catalyst in a deep spot.

For one the Catalyst tells the player that organics and synthetics will always fight. It has seen enough of how the events start, and who is to blame. Yet despite it's reason on organics, and synthetics will always fight one another it has been continuing the war than it has been trying to stop. In Javik's cycle the organics were about to finish off the synthetics, until the Reapers arrived, and joined with the synthetics to kill the organics. Not to mention in this cycle the Geth wanted peace, as did some Quarians, yet the Reapers further pushed them into war, and made the Geth under their control kill the organics the catalyst was so trying to preserve. Furthermore the fact that the only way could there be "true peace" is synthesizing everything like it has been trying to do.  However it seems the galaxy didn't need synthesis to figure out the problem.

The catalyst tries to paint a view inside the players mind, and that of Shepard of the only way to have peace is by changing everyone's DNA, in which turn means the loss of everyone's diversity which makes everyone who they are dis sapper. This is not the case. It seems that in many cycles either the organics, or synthetics were going to win the war. If it was the organics that were about to win the war, then it should have just left it be as it was. However since it used logic that this would happen again some time in the future, it harvested the advance organics, that it deemed worthy to become a Reaper. From there on the Catalyst would not allow the organics, or the synthetics settle their differences and forced the war to continue if the synthetics were about to loose. Moreover the Catalyst states that all advance organic life is preserved into a Reaper seem far fetch.

We know for a fact that Harbinger singled out all the races that were going to become a Reaper. Humanity was the ONLY candidate to become a Reaper. What was going to happen to the other advance races? My guess the would end up like the Protheans, now known as the collectors. They are "preserved:, yet the fact that they are NOT inside a Reaper, and they just have their DNA rewritten unlike the Reapers who's DNA is NOT rewritten. Which seems to me that it's not preserving the 'DNA" of that organic race, but a husk of what it was before. Never the less the Catalyst tells Shepard/ the player that it has control over the Reapers. Yet it did not say it had " complete" Control over them.

Instead what it says to Shepard is that it control the Reapers, which can either mean it has "full" control over the Reapers, or it has control over the Reapers, yet there are some parts of the Reaper it does not Control. My guess is their thoughts, views, and own beliefs.  The Reapers seem to have different opinions on organics, and synthetics. Shouldn't ALL the Reapers be obeying their master and all think the same thing as their master? Yes they should, yet the fact that the Reapers seem to have self independence of what they think proves that it does not have "complete" control over the Reaper's central thoughts, nor on how they see their master's ideal implanted in them.

The Catalyst does not even try to interact with the organics , nor establish a means of communication. I mean if it "over sees" the Reapers, then why didn't the catalyst push for peace on Earth? I mean the Reapers were going to have the Earth leader aboard inside of a Reaper, and discuss terms of peace, yet it proved to be a shame. Yet why? This is not a war right at least to the catalyst, and the Reapers, yet it just through that peace talk out the window revealing how corrupted it has become by the obsession of making peace by synthesize everything.


Basically what I am trying to say is everything the catalyst tells you at the end minus the endings is bs, and lies. If any of what it said is true, it would have evidence to prove it's claims, yet the fact that we have head and seen first had on the Reapers doing everything the opposite, or taking their leaders ambitions to the extreme clearly show that it doesn't give a shinto about the organics. Nor has direct control over the Reapers since the Reapers clearly do not act like their master right? Since their master is basically controlling their actions, their thoughts, their words, and everything they are, yet it seems not.

Now when the catalyst tells us/Shepard about the crucible.....it seems that the leader of the Reapers knows more about the crucible than it let's on. It point's out three out of four endings on the out comes, and we SEE images of what is to come. Not to mention it knows who created it, YET it will not tell us "WHO" created the crucible because of the "time". If it can explain it's logic, it's reasons' it's origins, and the Reapers, I am sure 10 minutes is ENOUGH time. However it does not, and considers all talks about the crucible's creators closed.  As the catalyst goes on and on about synthesis, and control....it never explains on " why the hell would it be taking the form of the child that died on Earth, that has been haunting Shepard since get go, and now it takes the form of that child".


I mean let's be honest there is not way the leader of the Reapers would just randomly pick someone that has been haunting Shepard, and has caused Shepard to be " vulnerable" mentally out of the bloom. The catalyst would have had to gotten inside Shepard's head, find the memory of the child and take the form of the boy. The ironic part is that Shepard does not REACT to the catalyst is the child back on Earth. Instead Shepard is just going about as if the child never died back on Earth, and no sense of hostility.

Moreover the Catalyst basically after the talk about the Destroy ending states that Shepard can Control the Reapers were TIM could have not because they already controlled him......Really? Honestly that like saying Shepard can't die, oh wait Shepard can die, yet let's take it's advise on Shepard controlling the Reapers from the beyond. Nothing wrong except.....only a copy of Shepard remains, and even the copy knows it's not the "real " Shepard. Thus after the chat about Control it goes onto Synthesis........

For one it was NEVER part of the crucible's design. Only Destroy, and Control should have BEEN present, and not Synthesis. It just tells Shepard that there can be peace if you tell your Shepard to jump off the platform and peace will rain forever.... ya.....problem. Why should we even pick Synthesis? Nobody but the catalyst want's synthesis. The Reapers want synthesis only because of their leader want's it right? I mean really.

Over all the Catalyst can NOT be trusted, nor is right. IT may have good intention's in IT"S point of view, however by using logic it has made to many errors, and caused the war to wage on and on. Not to mention it let's it's creations side with the synthetics and kill off the organics populations until their is enough to harvest. Unless it knows yet does nothing about it, then wow so much for it's own reason's and purpose.


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Re: Why the Catalyst is wrong, and should not be trusted.

Post by MovieMachine on Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:23 am

If I remember right, this stuff was already discussed inside out for something like 16 months ago. You're a bit late with this info.
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Re: Why the Catalyst is wrong, and should not be trusted.

Post by Master Blaster on Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:29 am

MovieMachine wrote:If I remember right, this stuff was already discussed inside out for something like 16 months ago. You're a bit late with this info.

 YA I know that I was here, just refreshing everyone's memory's, and making a show for the new comers.

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Re: Why the Catalyst is wrong, and should not be trusted.

Post by magnetite on Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:06 am

Why you can't trust the Catalyst

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