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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
by Hanako Ikezawa Thu May 01, 2014 5:07 am
If anyone on Garrett's team is going #3, by that I mean a heroic sacrifice, it will most likely be Mike Peterson.SwobyJ wrote:They better not. Fuck Ward. He's murdered way too many innocent people to be redeemed. He needs to suffer and die.
I agree. He has four paths to me (unless they surprise us in a good way):
1)Die. Just die.
2)Live. But be a big enemy threat, go completely off the rails. There's that theory that he's Taskmaster or something?
3)Die. But do so in a sacrificial way, yet knowing how much of an idiot he is. No heroic music. No 'I love you Skye', or at least her accepting it. No actual redemption. Just 'Fuck I was dumb to follow HYDRA and kill so many just for a mission' and get all depressed and effectively suicide himself at a good time. And our AGENTS better not think fondly of him afterward.
4)Let's brainwash him too! Wooo replacing memories!
But I lean more towards #1, maybe #2. #3 could very well be done in a way to really annoy me, so I don't really want it. #4 wouldn't satisfy me, but could be interesting down the road?
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
by Hanako Ikezawa Thu May 01, 2014 5:08 am
Don't forget Skye is an 084. GH-325 may have completely different effects on her.SwobyJ wrote:Coulson's TAHITI lines follow:
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I understand that you started the program to potentially save a mortally wounded Avenger, but the side effects are too extreme. We had initial success with the regenerative properties of the guest host tissue, but after the initial physical recovery, the subjects began to deteriorate mentally, displaying hypergraphia, aphasia, catatonia, or just complete psychosis.
We don’t know if it was the biology at play or simply the awareness of what was done, but the only course of action that showed any promise of stemming this side effects was memory replacement, erasing completely the awareness of what they had been through. And even those results were very inconsistent.
To be clear, I’m recommending the termination of Project Tahiti. Under no circumstances should these procedures or drugs be administered to anyone for the cost is far too great. Thank you, sir.”
Coulson had it, but also had memory replacement. He may be fine, if not the Coulson that existed before death.
Skye had it, but nothing else = she's gonna start writing stuff, being unable to speak, going into comas, and going loco? :(
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
by ericformans_sisterisdead Thu May 01, 2014 5:58 am
Swamp thing >>>>>Man thing
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
by Fur28 Thu May 01, 2014 6:42 am
needed a few more >ericformans_sisterisdead wrote:Swamp thing >>>>>>>>>>Man thing
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
by Rifneno Sat May 03, 2014 8:24 pm
Even though they talk about laying the groundwork for Season 2 and such, they still haven't signed the contracts and started making it.
Scares me.
Scares me.
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
by Hanako Ikezawa Mon May 05, 2014 9:50 am
Do you think they'll wait until after Avengers 2 is done filming?Rifneno wrote:Even though they talk about laying the groundwork for Season 2 and such, they still haven't signed the contracts and started making it.
Scares me.
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
by Guest Tue May 06, 2014 5:47 pm
Interesting POV (SPOILERS for Winter Soldier):
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1843866/board/thread/229194808
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1843866/board/thread/229194808
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- I absolutely loved this theme in the movie, but I just don't see it being discussed enough. I think if people keep this in mind while watching the film, it will actually elevate the story even more for a lot of them. It really has a depth not usually seen in superhero movies.
Basically, the film paints a clear-cut picture that the soldiers in the film (Cap, Falcon, & Bucky) are all honest characters that are thrown into a world of dishonesty. Pretty much all of the spy characters (Fury, Widow, Pierce, Rumlow, Hill, Agent 13, Sitwell, etc...) keep secrets and have to constantly lie to most people. Cap detests these methods until he's forced into using them in order to honor Fury's "last words", challenging his principles as a soldier.
As Widow pointed out, he's terrible at lying (as well as hiding evidence). The best he could come up with is a simple "I don't know", yet even that couldn't convince anyone. So he told Pierce straight out that he's going to keep the details of his last meeting w/ Fury a secret. Which results in him becoming a fugitive. It's now up to Widow to show Cap the ropes on how to behave like a spy before he gets himself captured or worse. While her methods prove to be essential, Cap still questions how she could live such a life.
Ultimately, what brings HYDRA down isn't the ways of a spy. Instead, Cap uses the one thing that soldiers can have that spies cannot: integrity. When he reveals the secrets that he has uncovered on the PA system, it's not a weak statement in the same vein as his "I don't know", but a wild accusation that SHIELD has been compromised for the past 70 years by a supposedly defunct Nazi organization. With this, he gives the agents a choice: Captain America's word vs. their superiors'. Slowly, the agents realize that a soldier's word has more integrity than their own. There's probably very few people in that room who haven't been dishonest or kept secrets. It's now no longer far-fetched that another secretive organization has formed under SHIELD's deceitful system (as Stark once said about Fury: "his secrets have secrets"). Something that had no chance of happening back in Cap's day.
By sticking to his values in the end, Cap demonstrates that old-fashioned principles are not only still relevant in the modern world but are also what's severely lacking in it. No other Avenger could've pulled this off than him. This movie truly captures the spirit of his character.
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- "Its a carry over from Avengers, when Hawkeye asks Widow why she wants to wade into a war when she is a spy not a soldier. Each fights but not in the same way.
I thought one beat that they could have played in Winter Soldier that they didn't in the film was when Steve and Natasha are driving from DC to the NJ army base and they're having that discussion about their approaches and Natasha acts dismissive toward Steve as if he's naive. During the section where she says "Who do you want me to be?" I can be anyone" One thing Steve should have tossed back at her "I want the woman who had my back in New York" Not only would it have been a nice call back to Avengers but it would have wiped her smugness off REAL QUICK."
"Didn't even think about that scene. Her personal motivation (other than saving the world, of course) was b/c Loki knew about her secrets, right? So she wants to get rid of him ASAP. How very spyish of her. lol"
"Excellent analysis. And in the end Cap wasn't going to compromise his values & friends when he ceased to fight Bucky back after accomplishing the mission."
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
by ericformans_sisterisdead Wed May 07, 2014 3:19 am
Fitz-1
Garrett-0
"Get ready for a huge file transfer" i loled alot at that part.
at least ward didnt kill the dog
Also im thinking skye might be spiderwoman...anyone else have any ideas
Garrett-0
"Get ready for a huge file transfer" i loled alot at that part.
at least ward didnt kill the dogAlso im thinking skye might be spiderwoman...anyone else have any ideas
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
by CSSteele Thu May 08, 2014 5:38 pm
Pretty sure the sniper scope scene a few moments after was letting us know he DID shoot the dog. They were giving us a moment of 'maybe there is still good there' before they showed us that he was indeed irredeemable. He even said 'It's a weakness' before he hit the button.
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
by DSharrah Thu May 08, 2014 5:46 pm
CSSteele wrote:Pretty sure the sniper scope scene a few moments after was letting us know he DID shoot the dog. They were giving us a moment of 'maybe there is still good there' before they showed us that he was indeed irredeemable. He even said 'It's a weakness' before he hit the button.
Enhhhh...I wasn't sure what to think of the combination of those scenes. That pod didn't exactly like look it would break apart/start taking on water/sink and implode...not so sure that Fitz and Simmons are out of the game just yet (Fitz did have the quarter radio transmitter w/homing beacon still - at least I don't remember seeing it taken away).
I still think that there is a good chance that they are trying to set Ward up to either be "redeemable" or "make a heroic sacrifice".
I thought the more interesting part of the episode was "Flowers" having something in common with Skye, the story of Skye's "Monster" parents destroying a village to find her, and Ward not telling Garret about it.
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
by Guest Thu May 08, 2014 6:03 pm
I currently think that Ward is all about 'letting go those that he's attached to, if he can help it', but otherwise isn't redeemable.
He didn't break into the medical pod because Fitzsimmons are smart and can figure their way out if they're good enough.
He'll turn his back on Garrett but it won't be enough for him to be a good guy. He'll just drop him like Garrett tells him to drop others - maybe from learning something that Garrett did, losing his trust in him that Garrett told him not to have in the first place.
Everything screams redemption arc and I'm going to be resisting that concept every step along the way. I'd be okay with him helping out a bit but dying in the process, but if this show is doing an Angel/Angelus/Spike thing ("I'm a poor tortured guy now that I've clued into how bad I was!").. nope. Not going with that.
Maybe SHIELD can brainwash him because while it'll be a clear ploy to keep him around, most on this board seem to believe that rewrite of the mind is worse than death, at least if done in certain ways. I don't support it though. I want him either killed or I dunno, evolve to truer villain status, like being Taskmaster.
He didn't break into the medical pod because Fitzsimmons are smart and can figure their way out if they're good enough.
He'll turn his back on Garrett but it won't be enough for him to be a good guy. He'll just drop him like Garrett tells him to drop others - maybe from learning something that Garrett did, losing his trust in him that Garrett told him not to have in the first place.
Everything screams redemption arc and I'm going to be resisting that concept every step along the way. I'd be okay with him helping out a bit but dying in the process, but if this show is doing an Angel/Angelus/Spike thing ("I'm a poor tortured guy now that I've clued into how bad I was!").. nope. Not going with that.
Maybe SHIELD can brainwash him because while it'll be a clear ploy to keep him around, most on this board seem to believe that rewrite of the mind is worse than death, at least if done in certain ways. I don't support it though. I want him either killed or I dunno, evolve to truer villain status, like being Taskmaster.
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
by Hanako Ikezawa Fri May 09, 2014 5:03 pm
Garrett took the sniper rifle with him. So that means if the dog was killed, Garrett was the one to do it.CSSteele wrote:Pretty sure the sniper scope scene a few moments after was letting us know he DID shoot the dog. They were giving us a moment of 'maybe there is still good there' before they showed us that he was indeed irredeemable. He even said 'It's a weakness' before he hit the button.
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
by Hanako Ikezawa Fri May 09, 2014 5:05 pm
I agree. I'm really interesting to see what they have in common. Is Raina an 084 as well? Are they the same thing? etc.DSharrah wrote:
I thought the more interesting part of the episode was "Flowers" having something in common with Skye, the story of Skye's "Monster" parents destroying a village to find her, and Ward not telling Garret about it.
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
by Hanako Ikezawa Fri May 09, 2014 5:07 pm
I hope he isn't redeemed. If anyone on Garrett's crew deserves that route, it is Mike and Raina.SwobyJ wrote:I currently think that Ward is all about 'letting go those that he's attached to, if he can help it', but otherwise isn't redeemable.
He didn't break into the medical pod because Fitzsimmons are smart and can figure their way out if they're good enough.
He'll turn his back on Garrett but it won't be enough for him to be a good guy. He'll just drop him like Garrett tells him to drop others - maybe from learning something that Garrett did, losing his trust in him that Garrett told him not to have in the first place.
Everything screams redemption arc and I'm going to be resisting that concept every step along the way. I'd be okay with him helping out a bit but dying in the process, but if this show is doing an Angel/Angelus/Spike thing ("I'm a poor tortured guy now that I've clued into how bad I was!").. nope. Not going with that.
Maybe SHIELD can brainwash him because while it'll be a clear ploy to keep him around, most on this board seem to believe that rewrite of the mind is worse than death, at least if done in certain ways. I don't support it though. I want him either killed or I dunno, evolve to truer villain status, like being Taskmaster.
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
by Guest Fri May 09, 2014 7:12 pm
...you do remember what Raina's done too, right?
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
by Hanako Ikezawa Sat May 10, 2014 8:00 am
Yes I do. But she's done less than ward and doesn't have the "I must obey" drone mentality that Ward does. That plus her having some misgivings towards Garrett for not sharing her ideals and basically playing her leads me to think she may turn traitor to him in some capacity.SwobyJ wrote:...you do remember what Raina's done too, right?
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
by ZerebusPrime Wed May 14, 2014 3:49 am
*ZAP*
"Found it!"
Good thing, too. Garret looked totally cheesy like that.
"Found it!"
Good thing, too. Garret looked totally cheesy like that.
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
by Hanako Ikezawa Wed May 14, 2014 6:12 am
One of my favorite scenes. That and Fury's one liners.ZerebusPrime wrote:*ZAP*
"Found it!"
Good thing, too. Garret looked totally cheesy like that.
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
by Hanako Ikezawa Wed May 14, 2014 6:15 am
On a more serious note, who do you think will be part of Coulson's new SHIELD? I think for sure his team as well as Maria Hill.
Mike Peterson also may join at a later date I think. I like the route they took with him in actually both redeeming himself and living.
As for next season, the 2 plots I see happening are Skye's family and Quinn with the Gravitonium, which still has that scientist inside it.
Mike Peterson also may join at a later date I think. I like the route they took with him in actually both redeeming himself and living.
As for next season, the 2 plots I see happening are Skye's family and Quinn with the Gravitonium, which still has that scientist inside it.
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
by ericformans_sisterisdead Wed May 14, 2014 6:16 am
Spoilers for finale-
That garrett death scene was cheesy yet hilarious. Zerberus is right his new uniform looked awful glad hes dead. Paxton has gotten killed by an alien a predator and now a new avenger loved ya in weird science rip bill.
Can someone tell me who the fuck skyes dad is that hand looked bloody as hell wtf did he fist? And that coulson garrett language is kree right? Also worth pointing out patton is a gamer nd put alot of call of duty hours with his bro and looks like may nailed ward one last time. O and he is a bitch even in bed Ward "just like old times" may "please you were never on top"
That garrett death scene was cheesy yet hilarious. Zerberus is right his new uniform looked awful glad hes dead. Paxton has gotten killed by an alien a predator and now a new avenger loved ya in weird science rip bill.
Can someone tell me who the fuck skyes dad is that hand looked bloody as hell wtf did he fist? And that coulson garrett language is kree right? Also worth pointing out patton is a gamer nd put alot of call of duty hours with his bro and looks like may nailed ward one last time. O and he is a bitch even in bed Ward "just like old times" may "please you were never on top"
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
by Hanako Ikezawa Wed May 14, 2014 6:19 am
To the first, we have no idea what her parents are and only that she and Raina seem to be the same type of being.ericformans_sisterisdead wrote:
Can someone tell me who the fuck skyes dad is that hand looked bloody as hell wtf did he fist? And that coulson garrett language is kree right?
To the second, it is believed GH-325 came from a Kree, so yes until proven otherwise.
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Re: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
by Rifneno Wed May 14, 2014 12:39 pm
In the episode "Eye Spy," we saw that language for the first time. Garrett was sending that woman with the eye implant in to take a look at a wall covered in that stuff. That was her big mission: get in, get a glimpse at a wall covered in it. 'twas freaky.
I'm disappointed that Ward lived, even if he was badly injured.
Normally I'd hate to see a major villain die in a comic relief moment but I was really glad to see he wasn't weaseling out of a well deserved death at the season finale.
I'm disappointed that Ward lived, even if he was badly injured.
Normally I'd hate to see a major villain die in a comic relief moment but I was really glad to see he wasn't weaseling out of a well deserved death at the season finale.
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