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Post by Master Blaster on Wed Feb 24, 2016 2:10 am

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SwobyJ wrote:Supposedly there's gonna be a krogan and a synthetic squadmate.

Supposedly the Big Ben sniper is our first squadmate, James Sanders.

Supposedly Chris will be our new Pilot that fly's us to place to place.

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Post by Rifneno on Wed Feb 24, 2016 3:28 am

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Rifneno wrote:
SwobyJ wrote:Supposedly there's gonna be a krogan and a synthetic squadmate.

Supposedly the Big Ben sniper is our first squadmate, James Sanders.

Supposedly Chris will be our new Pilot that fly's us to place to place.
No, I wasn't making up random shit out of mockery.  That's what people thought long before ME3's release.  Rumors of the "James Sanders" got out, and then we got our first trailer.  People assumed that the sniper would be a squadmate since a) he survived the Reaper invasion and is handling it in a manner that would make Garrus proud, and b) the first person they show us of ME3 must be significant.  So people assumed what I said.

Naturally, it did not come to pass.  "Sanders" was changed to "Vega" ("ohhh!") and if he was ever going to be the Big Ben sniper, it was changed early in development.  My point was that these sniplets we hear when a game is little more than half finished rarely come to pass even when they are based on real leaks.

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Post by ZerebusPrime on Sun Feb 28, 2016 2:39 am

Ugh. I knew about Mass Effect 1's features years before its release in more detail than I know about ME:A's now. That was how I knew I wanted to buy ME:1. Hell, that was also how I knew I didn't give a crap about the entire game lineup for the Playstation 4.

This tightlippedness on EA-BioWare's part is ticking me off. So far we've got a trailer that didn't really tell us much beyond the space cowboy theme and another trailer expressing loads of nostalgia about NOT THE GAME COMING OUT THIS YEAR. Bah.
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Post by Rifneno on Sun Feb 28, 2016 3:40 am

BW just seems to not like to talk about things anymore at all.  It's not even Mass Effect specific.  The DA:I DLC's came completely out of nowhere.  They didn't even announce their existence until a few days before release.  I wouldn't read too much into their not saying much about ME:A because they did the same with unrelated projects for no apparent reason.  It just seems to be how they operate now.  If I had to guess, I'd say someone high up at EA read them the riot act over ME3 lies and told to just shut their goddamn mouths in general from now on.

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Post by Rifneno on Sun Feb 28, 2016 3:51 am

Not that I'm excusing their bullshit, of course.  MRW I even think about BW nowadays



(Skip to 1:10, the damn forumotion link doesn't work right if you put a start time in it and the first 1:10 aren't relevant)

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Post by CSSteele on Sun Feb 28, 2016 12:29 pm

OMG WTF..
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Post by Guest on Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:03 pm

CSSteele wrote:OMG WTF..

I just saw it. WOW.

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Post by dorktainian on Mon Feb 29, 2016 5:17 am

??? Rolling Eyes

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Post by Rifneno on Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:39 am

I had to share it here 'cuz everyone in chat is sick of it I think.  :(

You guys who don't use the chatbox are missing so much comedy.  Like yesterday we were debating which of these two is the better headline:





...  ...  Well, that and animu.  Lots of animu.  :(

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Post by CSSteele on Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:36 am

Those are both amazing headlines. Hard to pick... wow. And again, that parrot, OMG WTF.. lol
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Post by dorktainian on Tue Mar 01, 2016 12:29 pm

are bioware in trouble? seem to be a lot of outs lately?

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Post by Eryri on Tue Mar 01, 2016 7:55 pm

I vote for the Gordon Ramsay one. I somehow doubt that Ramsay-themed porn is a big market though.

dorktainian wrote:are bioware in trouble?  seem to be a lot of outs lately?

Hard to say. General consensus on the BSN is that Chris Shlerf had simply finished his writing duties on Andromeda and moved on. Seems a sensible guess. I can't imagine the plot of this game taking up much more than a side of A4.
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Post by Rifneno on Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:22 am

dorktainian wrote:are bioware in trouble?  seem to be a lot of outs lately?

LOL wut.  A company is in trouble based on financial earnings not on notoriously poor employees leaving.  For all we know, they may just have a new manager that's always on people's case to shape up and stop being shit at their job, and the ones who simply can't are getting sick of it and leaving.

Eryie wrote:Hard to say. General consensus on the BSN is that Chris Shlerf had simply finished his writing duties on Andromeda and moved on. Seems a sensible guess. I can't imagine the plot of this game taking up much more than a side of A4.

No, that is amazingly stupid.  Even for BSN.  I won't pretend to know what the case is, but I know for sure it's not that.  Two major reasons.  First, he was an employee of BW that was assigned to write for that project.  He was not an independent contractor that was hired to do one project and then move on.  That terrible person who wrote Deception is likely an example of an independent contractor.  A real employee doesn't simply leave when the project is over, they're assigned to another project.

Second, we're a very long way from ME:A hitting the shelves.  There's absolutely no way that all the writing is done.  All the plot storyboarding may be done, but there's still character dialogue, codexes, ect. to do.  TW3 for example has over 30,000 lines of dialogue.  There's a lot of work to do for these kind of games.  A lead writer doesn't get to clock out once they get the main plot is outlined.  That's not how this works.  That's not how anything works.

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Post by Eryri on Wed Mar 02, 2016 11:45 am

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No, that is amazingly stupid.  Even for BSN.  I won't pretend to know what the case is, but I know for sure it's not that.  Two major reasons.  First, he was an employee of BW that was assigned to write for that project.  He was not an independent contractor that was hired to do one project and then move on.  That terrible person who wrote Deception is likely an example of an independent contractor.  A real employee doesn't simply leave when the project is over, they're assigned to another project.

Second, we're a very long way from ME:A hitting the shelves.  There's absolutely no way that all the writing is done.  All the plot storyboarding may be done, but there's still character dialogue, codexes, ect. to do.  TW3 for example has over 30,000 lines of dialogue.  There's a lot of work to do for these kind of games.  A lead writer doesn't get to clock out once they get the main plot is outlined.  That's not how this works.  That's not how anything works.

You may have a point. Some EA exec has just let slip that MEA's release is planned for early 2017 - a whole year away (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-03-02-mass-effect-andromeda-will-be-out-q1-2017). I would have thought any project, no matter how well organised, would need revision and tweaking this early in its development. From what I've gathered from wasting time watching DVD extras, movies can need rewrites, re-edits and dialogue re-recording even a few weeks before release. The actors on Lord of the Rings would get scripts with wet ink written in ball point pen! You'd think they'd want the main writer to be at least on hand for this kind of thing, even if someone else does the character dialogue.
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Post by ZerebusPrime on Wed Mar 02, 2016 12:58 pm

I think we all saw the delay coming. It's not much of a delay, though. It's an EA style delay. An "Oops, we've got to rework major sections of the story and hire new writers... take an extra three weeks!" delay.

I exaggerate, but not a whole lot.
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Post by dmvoe_ on Wed Mar 02, 2016 3:16 pm

Hey y'all, have you seen this?
http://wccftech.com/uncharted-4-cinematic-animator-joins-mass-effect-andromeda-developer-bioware/

Not the worst person to join the team, I'd say! :D

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Post by Rifneno on Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:01 pm

dmvoe_ wrote:Hey y'all, have you seen this?
http://wccftech.com/uncharted-4-cinematic-animator-joins-mass-effect-andromeda-developer-bioware/

Not the worst person to join the team, I'd say! :D


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Post by Eryri on Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:10 pm

dmvoe_ wrote:Hey y'all, have you seen this?
http://wccftech.com/uncharted-4-cinematic-animator-joins-mass-effect-andromeda-developer-bioware/

Not the worst person to join the team, I'd say! :D

I thought Andromeda was being developed up in Canada? Isn't Bioware Austin usually responsible for The Star Wars MMO? Perhaps he's been recruited for this mysterious new IP?

I've not played many of Naughty Dog's games but, to be fair, their cinematics are usually very good. Maybe this guy can breathe some life into Bioware's rather stiff facial animations.
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Post by Rifneno on Wed Mar 02, 2016 4:24 pm

Eryri wrote:I've not played many of Naughty Dog's games but, to be fair, their cinematics are usually very good. Maybe this guy can breathe some life into Bioware's rather stiff facial animations.

How did Yahtzee describe Bioware's facial animations?  "Emoting like animatronic presidents at Disney World"?  Man knows how to make a comparison.

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Post by dorktainian on Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:52 pm

mmm.... so a delay

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Post by Rifneno on Thu Mar 03, 2016 4:51 am

Honestly, I had no idea this WAS a delay.  I mean, I didn't realize ME:A was going to be out this year.  I guess I've reached a point of lack of shit giving where my brain doesn't bother retaining such "crucial" facts.  It's an honor to be frank.  I wish you all could join me on the podium of not giving a shit about ME:A so hard you don't bother remembering its release info.  It really is quite beautiful up here.

I'm not sure what Swoby's point is in showing us the mystery N7 again.  What are you trying to say or show us, Swoby?  If you just noticed something you think is worth talking about, you kinda have to point it out to the rest of us.

"Modeled by Herbert Lowis"  Wait, what now?  So we're not looking at CGI?  We're looking at a real photograph of a mock-up?

Anyways, again about Schlerf or whatever his name leaving: not only is the game a year away from release but he didn't just leave the company, we just found out about it.  He's been gone for half a year or so.  So yeah, there's absolutely no way a writer's duties would be up that long before release.

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Post by Guest on Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:20 pm

There wasn't any point other than an update about what seems to be material about the game. Herbert Lowis is lead character artist at Bioware Montreal - so this is official, at least to some extent. Not sure if you expected something mindblowing or super interesting. Its a very small MEA update when there have been very few of any sort.

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Post by Rifneno on Thu Mar 03, 2016 4:25 pm

SwobyJ wrote:There wasn't any point other than an update about what seems to be material about the game. Herbert Lowis is lead character artist at Bioware Montreal - so this is official, at least to some extent. Not sure if you expected something mindblowing or super interesting. Its a very small MEA update when there have been very few of any sort.
Yeah, except haven't we had these pictures for months?

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Post by Guest on Thu Mar 03, 2016 5:10 pm

Not these pictures. A same or similar model in another context, sure.

I could be wrong; I'm open to correction on this.

Easy Rif I just found something that I thought was new and slightly interesting.

EDIT: I did more research and apparently these pictures existed on public portfolio for a while, only posted elsewhere recently. Apologies - I'll hide them in Spoilers.

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