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Re: (XL) Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark IV!
Yeah, let's be fair, N7 was mostly just some label on Shep's armour until ME3 where we finally get some explanation on what it stands for. If it wasn't for the thing with James, we would never have known.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
What does N7 mean to me? It's that number that goes up when I promote or level up classes in multiplayer.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
What does N7 mean to me? It's that number that goes up when I promote or level up classes in multiplayer.
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Re: (XL) Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark IV!
N7 marine/academy is one of the first codex entry's in Mass Effect for human military's info. You can access it right after Eden Prime when looking At Shep's locker that's where the codex entry for N7 is.
So... N7 is Shepard. It means Shepard. It's attributed mainly to Shepard.
So... N7 is Shepard. It means Shepard. It's attributed mainly to Shepard.
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Re: (XL) Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark IV!
TurianRebel212 wrote:
So... N7 is Shepard. It means Shepard. It's attributed mainly to Shepard.
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Even if that wasn't somehow their intent(protip, it is)... there is no way they think "Shepard" doesn't cross basically everyone's mind when asked that. Especially when they always have shown the Normandy and/or Shepard when talking about N7.
Edit: Also remember that guy that posted here a while back claiming to get a look at loads of concept art and shit? But then he removed it because he signed shit saying he wouldn't speak a word about it?
He said during that whole thing, they asked what N7 meant to the people there. This kinda brings a lot of validity to everything he said.
Edit: Also remember that guy that posted here a while back claiming to get a look at loads of concept art and shit? But then he removed it because he signed shit saying he wouldn't speak a word about it?
He said during that whole thing, they asked what N7 meant to the people there. This kinda brings a lot of validity to everything he said.
Re: (XL) Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark IV!
fshep wrote:TurianRebel212 wrote:
So... N7 is Shepard. It means Shepard. It's attributed mainly to Shepard.
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Just as 007 = James Bond and only James Bond, N7 = Shepard. i'm not really interested in playing as some other random human with N7 on their armour.
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Re: (XL) Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark IV!
There is also Master Chief Petty Officer Spartan John-117.Eryri wrote:fshep wrote:TurianRebel212 wrote:
So... N7 is Shepard. It means Shepard. It's attributed mainly to Shepard.
+1
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Just as 007 = James Bond and only James Bond, N7 = Shepard. i'm not really interested in playing as some other random human with N7 on their armour.
Seriously, what is with protagonists having 7 as part of their iconic number?
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Re: (XL) Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark IV!
Hanako Ikezawa wrote:
There is also Master Chief Petty Officer Spartan John-117.
Seriously, what is with protagonists having 7 as part of their iconic number?
A seventh son of a seventh son is mystical in some mythologies.
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Re: (XL) Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark IV!
If you are N7, you are a BAMF who can make hard decisions in the field.
If you are a Spectre, you are a BAMF's BAMF who can also make hard decisions in the field, only with diplomatic immunity.
Spectre > N7
Yet it feels like Bioware is trying to hold N7 over everything else.
If you are a Spectre, you are a BAMF's BAMF who can also make hard decisions in the field, only with diplomatic immunity.
Spectre > N7
Yet it feels like Bioware is trying to hold N7 over everything else.
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Yeah, Spectres are way more powerful.
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N7's are the equivalent to MARSOC operators in the US Marine Corps. Or maybe the SAS of the British Military or Russian Spetsnaz GRU. They're basically tier 1 direct action operatives, highly trained and highly skilled in warfare operations.
Spectre's...... Man, there really isn't anything close, lol. Not really. They're like maybe a Samurai back in the day of Feudal Japan. They basically go anywhere and do anything they want with very, very little oversight. Way to much power for one single person. They can broker huge treaty's for entire species. They can investigate all and any crimes in Citadel Space. They can execute dangerous personnel without a moments notice. Spectre's are a scary bunch when you think about. I mean..... Just look at Saren and what he was able to do.
Spectre's...... Man, there really isn't anything close, lol. Not really. They're like maybe a Samurai back in the day of Feudal Japan. They basically go anywhere and do anything they want with very, very little oversight. Way to much power for one single person. They can broker huge treaty's for entire species. They can investigate all and any crimes in Citadel Space. They can execute dangerous personnel without a moments notice. Spectre's are a scary bunch when you think about. I mean..... Just look at Saren and what he was able to do.
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Re: (XL) Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark IV!
N7 to me means Shepard foremost, yet also more than Shepard himself.
Spectres to me means N7, but with much more power, but also with more chances to do damage to humanity.
Shepard carries both.
ME1 - N7, First Human Spectre, and at the end, the Savior of the Citadel. All at the same time.
ME2 - N7 (sorta), First Human Spectre (sorta), and at the end, the Savior of Humanity (?). A little more ambiguous based on RP (you can deny being military minded, you can avoid having Spectre reinstatement).
ME3 - N7, First Human Spectre, and at the end, the Savior of the Galaxy. All at the same time, but I find that you're given much more pointed (instead of passive) questions about what Shepard regards himself as. Just a soldier (even if the best), or a leader of many, or a savior of us all. Due to canon 'snap back', he still ends up being all three in whatever way, but that's where the RP comes in.
I think that 'Spectre' doesn't mean so much for Shepard's story as the 'First Human' part. That humanity got to witness a human join and do amazing things, and so did aliens. Even the 'Savior' stuff is most often in the specific context of it being a human that managed to do such amazing things, attracting the attention of many aliens, including up to the Reapers.
Spectres to me means N7, but with much more power, but also with more chances to do damage to humanity.
Shepard carries both.
ME1 - N7, First Human Spectre, and at the end, the Savior of the Citadel. All at the same time.
ME2 - N7 (sorta), First Human Spectre (sorta), and at the end, the Savior of Humanity (?). A little more ambiguous based on RP (you can deny being military minded, you can avoid having Spectre reinstatement).
ME3 - N7, First Human Spectre, and at the end, the Savior of the Galaxy. All at the same time, but I find that you're given much more pointed (instead of passive) questions about what Shepard regards himself as. Just a soldier (even if the best), or a leader of many, or a savior of us all. Due to canon 'snap back', he still ends up being all three in whatever way, but that's where the RP comes in.
I think that 'Spectre' doesn't mean so much for Shepard's story as the 'First Human' part. That humanity got to witness a human join and do amazing things, and so did aliens. Even the 'Savior' stuff is most often in the specific context of it being a human that managed to do such amazing things, attracting the attention of many aliens, including up to the Reapers.
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N7 to me means a cool insignia on my armor.
That's it, really.
That's it, really.
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Re: (XL) Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark IV!
I think that I am almost hoping that they announce the trilogy remastered for the next gen consoles on N7 Day...and maybe a developer diary or something for the next game...
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Re: (XL) Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark IV!
gamble just tweeted that the next mass effect meeting will probably be to take in 'interstellar'.... a movie about humanities survival (or not) and travelling through wormholes...
I bet the movie is brilliant.
I bet the movie is brilliant.
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Re: (XL) Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark IV!
Well again, as people are pointing out for Shepard being a spectre is really only ever noted in the story cause he's the first human spectre. Which when you think about it, circles back to N7. He's an N7 soldier, and he's the first human spectre. The first human spectre, is N7. And if they wanted to subtly hint at Shepard's return once again, what better way than to focus on N7?ZerebusPrime wrote:If you are N7, you are a BAMF who can make hard decisions in the field.
If you are a Spectre, you are a BAMF's BAMF who can also make hard decisions in the field, only with diplomatic immunity.
Spectre > N7
Yet it feels like Bioware is trying to hold N7 over everything else.
Guys just pay attention for a sec... listen to this... remember ME2? Remember when everybody thought he was dead? Remember what they did? They showed a Geth... with N7 armor. And people instantly thought they might be playing this Geth... why? Because N7 means the player character... and who is the player character? Commander Shepard.
Re: (XL) Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark IV!
Which BTW we know the player character is N7. They've shown us an ambiguous character with N7. The last time they did that, turned out we were playing Commander Shepard.
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Dark Space anyone? Or another galaxy maybe?dorktainian wrote:gamble just tweeted that the next mass effect meeting will probably be to take in 'interstellar'.... a movie about humanities survival (or not) and travelling through wormholes...
I bet the movie is brilliant.
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DSharrah wrote:I think that I am almost hoping that they announce the trilogy remastered for the next gen consoles on N7 Day...and maybe a developer diary or something for the next game...
That's the whole point of any hidden story imho, push people to buy the remastered trilogy.
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Re: (XL) Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark IV!
Hey everyone it's good to see you're all pretty much still here. It's been ages, don't think I've spoken to you guys for about 18 months or something.
How are you all? I am sincerely interested even though it is a super lazy and insincere thing to do to ask an entire forum community how they are all doing.
How are you all? I am sincerely interested even though it is a super lazy and insincere thing to do to ask an entire forum community how they are all doing.
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Re: (XL) Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark IV!
Eryri wrote:+2fshep wrote:+1TurianRebel212 wrote:
So... N7 is Shepard. It means Shepard. It's attributed mainly to Shepard.
Just as 007 = James Bond and only James Bond, N7 = Shepard. i'm not really interested in playing as some other random human with N7 on their armour.
+3. N7 is synonymous with Shepard. Interesting to note that the value attributed to N7 status within the story increased in ME3, and the value attributed to "spectre status" decreased.
edit: Evening Davik, good to see you!
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Thankyou Mr. Gecko sir. I've had a quick look through the forums, and so many ITers are still here 2 1/2 years on! The theory will never die.ElSuperGecko wrote:edit: Evening Davik, good to see you!
I finished the trilogy again recently and I'm getting back into it. ME1 and ME3 were a bit of a chore but ME2 was so cool! The story is pretty silly, but the atmosphere, style and character development are all great. And it's really fun. I think most people always said ME2 was the best but I didn't get that so much til now.
When I replayed ME3 Citadel DLC, I found it kind of laborious and a bit too out of character, but I randomly saw a thread somewhere on another site where SwobyJ said it was his favourite DLC, presumably for IT-related reasons. What are those? I didn't get anything when I played through. Someone somewhere else said something about it being a hallucination from the fish at the restaurant (?!?) Sounds a bit far fetched but I'd love to hear what you, Swoby and everyone made of it.
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Re: (XL) Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark IV!
The Hanar Mind Fish theory thing was a joke I started. Ignore the Bad Sushi Theory.
Things wrong with the Citadel DLC begin the moment you arrive at the restaurant, not the moment Shepard takes a drink at the restaurant. Turians and humans sharing food plates for instance. That's not just wrong; it's deadly.
"French Sushi", however, is apparently a real thing.
Things wrong with the Citadel DLC begin the moment you arrive at the restaurant, not the moment Shepard takes a drink at the restaurant. Turians and humans sharing food plates for instance. That's not just wrong; it's deadly.
"French Sushi", however, is apparently a real thing.
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Hey Davik
I think Swoby likes it because he feels it fits in with his dream theory.
I think Swoby likes it because he feels it fits in with his dream theory.
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ZerebusPrime wrote:Turians and humans sharing food plates for instance. That's not just wrong; it's deadly.
Hi spot! I was reading another of Swoby's theories on this forum, about layers of indoctrination and un/reality, it is basically insane but a genuinely fascinating read all the same.
Just did ME2 suicide mission to get everyone killed. No ship upgrades and no loyal squaddies. But then tried to save Shepard by replaying the mission - failed 3 or 4 times before I finally got there
Squad was Miranda Jacob Garrus Mordin Jack (who are all mandatory I believe) plus Samara Thane Kasumi and Tali. A prize for whoever states how I got Shepard out alive, subject to the disclaimer that there is no prize.
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That makes sense.RavenEyry wrote:Hanako Ikezawa wrote:
There is also Master Chief Petty Officer Spartan John-117.
Seriously, what is with protagonists having 7 as part of their iconic number?
A seventh son of a seventh son is mystical in some mythologies.
Especially in Mass Effect since many say it has a lot of Christian parallels.
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