Re: (XL) Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark IV!

by ZerebusPrime Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:26 am

Honestly, I can't look at Cora Harper now without seeing the Illusive Man's face. It's gonna make the romance path awkward.

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by Rifneno Sun Jan 29, 2017 2:16 am

ZerebusPrime wrote:Honestly, I can't look at Cora Harper now without seeing the Illusive Man's face. It's gonna make the romance path awkward.

Wait, Cora? Like Eva Coré? Yeah, that's something to do with TIM. Absolutely no doubt at all.

by magnetite Sun Jan 29, 2017 7:16 am

Rifneno wrote:
2. Are you kidding? This isn't real life, this is fiction. There's two reasons they'd use that name: either story related purposes, or one of the higher ups really, REALLY liked it for whatever reason. Smart money is on the former.

You'll find out who Cora Harper is really related to when you play the game. She could be related, or her last name could be a coincidence.

Besides, since all the council races are going to Andromeda I really don't think Cerberus would be involved with the expedition in any way, because all of them would refuse to work with the group. Even if they just funded part of it. It was considered a capital offense when they got wind that Shepard was "working" with them.

Can't get the whole story from a trailer.

by Rifneno Sun Jan 29, 2017 7:21 am

magnetite wrote:or her last name could be a coincidence.

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by **DoomsdayDevice** Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:51 pm

Yeah, smart money's on that being no coincidence.

Who says people need to work with Cerberus?

They could have agents infiltrating the thing for whatever purposes. Humanity's interests etc.

by dorktainian Sun Jan 29, 2017 5:21 pm

ZerebusPrime wrote:Honestly, I can't look at Cora Harper now without seeing the Illusive Man's face. It's gonna make the romance path awkward.

my god shes ugly. Laughing

by ZerebusPrime Sun Jan 29, 2017 5:57 pm

It's more than just the name. She's Alec Ryder's designated second-in-command meant to take his place should he be ~~deposed~~ ~~disposed of~~ incapacitated. That's in the text blurb next to her in the trailer. You think maybe she's positioned to take over the role of Pathfinder for Cerberus' ends?

by Der Wahnsinn Sun Jan 29, 2017 6:17 pm

Okay so that name Harper one thing is obvious not coincidence, but what is the purpose. I have seen already few (possible) references to Cerberus, some of them are logic and sounds good, but I wonder what is the purpose ? I mean, from what I know it takes a place before ME3, what would be the goal of Cerberus ? Send our people to the weird project .... wake up 600 years later, then send us info about new worlds ? Basicly what I'm trying to say is, Cerberus served well in trilogy, it just weird to see them again and knowing that they put enormously huge resources to their main goals in Mass Effect 2 and 3. Even Bill Gates would be dry after that. Unless they have really good ideas and that is going to be connection between andromeda and trilogy and something big about original story is about to happen, but okay that is too much, silly me.

by dorktainian Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:13 am

Der Wahnsinn wrote:Okay so that name Harper one thing is obvious not coincidence, but what is the purpose. I have seen already few (possible) references to Cerberus, some of them are logic and sounds good, but I wonder what is the purpose ? I mean, from what I know it takes a place before ME3, what would be the goal of Cerberus ? Send our people to the weird project .... wake up 600 years later, then send us info about new worlds ? Basicly what I'm trying to say is, Cerberus served well in trilogy, it just weird to see them again and knowing that they put enormously huge resources to their main goals in Mass Effect 2 and 3. Even Bill Gates would be dry after that. Unless they have really good ideas and that is going to be connection between andromeda and trilogy and something big about original story is about to happen, but okay that is too much, silly me.

the problem with Cerberus having anything to do with the mission is that after travelling for so long, at such a speed, none of it would have any relevance to cerberus back in the milky way. They'd be long gone.

Unless we get more space magic.

by ZerebusPrime Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:01 pm

dorktainian wrote:
Der Wahnsinn wrote:Okay so that name Harper one thing is obvious not coincidence, but what is the purpose. I have seen already few (possible) references to Cerberus, some of them are logic and sounds good, but I wonder what is the purpose ? I mean .....*SNIP* ...silly me.

the problem with Cerberus having anything to do with the mission is that after travelling for so long, at such a speed, none of it would have any relevance to cerberus back in the milky way. They'd be long gone.

Unless we get more space magic.

I'm replying to both of you at once so please pardon the nested quote. Der Wahnsinn's post has been shortened and he's first up:

Silly you. Cerberus is seemingly infiltrating a Citadel government project that is funded by other people, not funded solely by Cerberus. Given their black ops connections to the Alliance, Cerberus being able to plant someone like Cora Harper and pull strings to allow an AI with brain-links onto the main human ship should not be surprising. The only question is in how many Cerberus operatives are actually in play. Just one seems unlikely.

Dorktanian, it seems to me that the ark ships were prepped and departed within the timeframe before TIM went so bonkers insane that he couldn't play the long game properly anymore. I would not put it past him to help ensure a human presence in Andromeda ahead of the Reaper invasion of the Milky Way and to also ensure a Cerberus presence so that the ideals of Cerberus can live on should the Milky Way fall. Also, humans dominating the resources of Andromeda would fit within TIM's stated goals. Of course, TIM would not be planning to get Reaperized into a puppet and having all of humanity in the Milky Way wiped out in the meantime, but that's beside the point. In fact, this point is beside the point.

Here's the actual point: IF THE ILLUSIVE MAN SENT A CERBERUS TEAM TO ANDROMEDA AND THEN LATER BECAME SO REAPERIZED THAT THE REAPERS COULD READ HIM LIKE AN OPEN BOOK THEN THE REAPERS HAVE TO HAVE KNOWN BOTH ABOUT THE ARK PROJECT AND CERBERUS' PRESENCE THEREIN. Surely they would send a ship or two after them. Maybe three. Those Arks look like soft targets for a Reaper. Depending on the whens and hows, there may be classically indoctrinated agents on the Nexus, too.

The question then turns to whether or not the Cerberus team on Ark Hyperion has brought along with them the means to create Reaperized, indoctrinated shock troopers. Or anything else Reaper-tech with an indoctrination effect. The amassing of indoctrinated soldiers began at the end of ME2 IIRC, right after the events of the novel with Paul Grayson getting huskified. That's in the same time frame as the Arks' departure, is it not?

Sadly, I'm probably thinking more through this than BioWare has.

by Rifneno Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:41 pm

As much as I love to piss in Bioware's whirlwind, Cerberus having effectively unlimited funding actually makes perfect sense. They're Reaper tools. You really think the Reapers can't provide them as much funding as they need to carry out the Reapers' ends?

Now onto other matters.

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Pictured: A young Jack Harper (later known as The Illusive Man), Eva Coré.

In this picture, Eva has just been killed in combat and TIM is apparently still groping under the "she's still warm" rule. I'd think it might just be some poor arm placement until in ME3 when he builds a robot double of her that we know, thanks to Flight Lieutenant Moreau, was designed anatomically correct for reasons best left undetailed that this scenario is as unlikely as it is icky.

One thing is sure though: there is absolutely zero chance a mystery character combining both their surnames is a coincidence. Not 0.001%. 0%.

The Threadmaster theorizes sarcastically that our mystery character will be an as of yet unmentioned lovechild of the pair. Personally, I don't think that explanations involves enough Brooks to be true. Forrest Gump: Space Nazi Edition has to make her presence known in everything released after the Shitadel DLC.

I don't expect to see Reapers in Andromeda, no matter how much sense that would make. We abandoned sense long ago.

by ZerebusPrime Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:56 pm

*blink* I don't even know how that got in there. I didn't meant to write that. Reapers in Andromeda was not the big point I was trying to posit. Rather, Reaper TECH in the hands of Cerberus operatives in Andromeda was.

by Maximus Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:53 pm

Aight! So we've got more info to dissect to death and beat till its an undead horse! I bring you more detailed character profiles for Liam Costa-Rica and Cora Harper!

Ladies first:

Cora joined the Systems Alliance to train her powerful biotic talents, eventually transferring to an asari commando unit before joining the Andromeda Initiative as Alec Ryder's second-in-command. Professional and loyal, Cora knows the rules well enough to bend them if necessary, lending huntress tactics and her biotic strength to the Pathfinder's mission.

Name: Lieutenant Cora Harper
Race: Human
Origin: Spaceborn
Height: 172cm
Weight: 61kg
Known Affiliations: Systems Alliance, Talein's Daughters, Andromeda Initiative
Nicknames: None
Combat Roles/Strengths: Biotic Commando, Operations Specialist
Favorite Weapon: Shotgun
Favorite Biotic/Tech/Other Ability: Biotic Charge
Famous Quote: "When your biotics are honed into huntress-grade weapons… people can be weird about it."

So it looks like this ice-cold Cerberus bitch is tough enough to roll a Vanguard class! Choo! Choo! All aboard the pain train! That's another 15% I just grew more attracted to Illusive Woman. Mechanic-wise I predict plenty suicide charges at significantly more powerful enemies coz awesome. At least she's not a worthless Adept like fckin' Liara.

Now, let's have a look at Mr. Totally-Not-Jacob, shall we?

A crisis response specialist with civilian tactical training, Liam learned of the Andromeda Initiative after meeting former Alliance personnel at a "post-hostility relief action." His multi-disciplinary skills set him apart, and Liam was hand-picked to support the Pathfinder team. He’s an idealist, willing to take risks for the good of the Initiative.

Name: Liam Kosta
Species: Human
Origin: Born: London, England, Earth. Split residence: Citadel, Earth
Height: 183cm
Weight: 88kg
Known Affiliations: HUS-T1 (Earth’s contribution to a multispecies civilian crisis response effort), Andromeda Initiative
Nicknames: None
Combat Roles/Strengths: Close range fighter, using his jump jet to move quickly, usually towards the target
Favorite Weapon: Overclocked Dual Omni-blades
Favorite Biotic/Tech/Other Ability: Havoc Strike. Liam leaps forward with his omni-blades to stun enemies and prime them for combo detonations.
Famous Quote: “I was born in London.”

Clearly, this guy's gotta compensate for something. Not only our token black guy's got Double Omni-Blades but he also had to overclock them coz minority complex. Naturally. Born in London. COULD IT BE COINCIDENCE OR IS HE TRULY RELATED TO ANDERSON?! *puts on tinfoil hat*

Now stop being useless SJWare and gimme Human Sentinel like Kaidan. Else I might have to roll one myself and we wouldn't like that because I wanna stay true and loyal to Soldier class!

by **DoomsdayDevice** Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:36 pm

Famous Quote: “I was born in London.”

Srsly? It's like they're still trolling us with IT memes.

Now with 50% more salt in wounds!

by crash23 Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:38 pm

DoomsdayDevice wrote:
Famous Quote: “I was born in London.”

Srsly? It's like they're still trolling us with IT memes. Now with 50% more salt in wounds.

Ha, no.

Famous Quote: “I believed in a new beginning. Still do. I have to. We're in it.”

But as he said..

Origin: Born: London, England, Earth. Split residence: Citadel, Earth

by Der Wahnsinn Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:44 pm

dorktainian wrote:(...)
Unless we get more space magic.

Fuck not this shit again, but BioWare doesn't give any single reason to think otherwise

ZerebusPrime wrote:(...)
Sadly, I'm probably thinking more through this than BioWare has.

Yes, thanks. Good point
This sentence is so fucking true. This thing is really bothering me. Some players having lots of good theories and in the end we will see something that could be a great story.

DoomsdayDevice wrote:
Srsly? It's like they're still trolling us with IT memes.

Now with 50% more salt in wounds!

Their sense of humor is pretty fucked up.

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